First Graders. They're snatching First Graders in Unmarked cars.
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IIRC, that happened a few months ago, not now. A lot of schools are out for the summer already anyway. School staff did a great job of making the feds fuck off.
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Now imagine how the parents of Uvalde felt. Police showed up, and not only did nothing, but actively prevented OTHER parents, who were showing up to storm the grounds to shoot the shooter themselves. But the police protected the shooter, causing the deaths of more kids. If memory serves me right, 12 kids had died before parents showed up. And something like 37 died by days end.
Meaning, even if the police did nothing, and allowed the parents to go through, parents would have shot the shooter and saved 25 more kids.
Imagine knowing your kid is dead because police were afraid.
That conservative town that reelected the police chief?
Yes, the chief that ran uncontested for 15 years until the most recent vote wherein there were three write-in challengers, won with 45% of the votes.
Gotta love FPTP voting
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Wait until people start looking into how and why mobs were originally formed in the 1920's. Police are selfish, opportunistic thugs in any age. Sometimes communities need to create their own police force to save themselves from the cops.
expect way worse in future. both parties are ok with burning children alive or starving them to death if it means more campaign money.
I doubt it. American parents have their kids shot to pieces at schools and do nothing about it, assuming you're an american I have my doubts you'd make any effort towards justice.
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Everyone talks like they're Liam Neeson from 'Taken' but the reality is no schools or ICE facilities were burned down by any parent or member of the community who's children were abducted by unidentified feds. The government aren't afraid because people like you blow hot air all day but they call your bluff over and over and win every time, I see a lot of talk but only two examples of somebody ante-ing up and doing something about it, and one of them missed by centimeters.
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I'm sorry, I don't mean you personally. In all honesty I agree with your initial statement in that I too would and do want proper justice for crimes against children, but then I'm immediately smacked in the face by the reality that we aren't even close to seeing any of that kind of justice and all our tough talk doesn't scare them one bit. We are grinding the same axe here, but i'm very perturbed by all this which has made me eager to fight and i'm sorry if I directed fighting words to you personally. We're both strangers to eachother here after all, I have no way of knowing who you are, if 99.999...% of the time that sort of justice you mentioned never happens then how am I to NOT think you would be the same? I'm sure you'd WANT to burn down the school, much like I want to burn the Sacklers for killing 12 of my friends in the opioid epidemic, much like their parents who were deceived into dodgy perscriptions by doctors probably want to burn the whole thing down, nobody ever does.
Recent report I read and heard about was them staking out elementary school "graduations." Caused parents to have to flee, which was rather depressing. The kids are likely birthright citizens, but even then, parents are afraid of deportation without representation (at least, according to interviews by KCRW/NPR).
FYI btw, it's like the last week of school here in LA for most districts, so any of these stories are still very plausible.
You say that like it matters to the fucking Mustard Mussolini.
God damn the school year goes long in LA
California summer (the season/weather) starts and ends later than most places, so the later school starts the less kids and teachers have to bake in underfunded non-air conditioned classrooms.
I'm up in Merced, the kids got out last week, and that's actually kinda late for the central valley. It's probably different for you guys because SoCal is physically closer to hell, whereas the central valley is spiritually closer to it.
Well, you’re closer to Modesto so your claim that you’re further from hell is debatable :P
Well, you've got me there. Modesto fucking sucks, dawg.
So far as I can tell it was April 10th.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/2-l-a-schools-deny-entry-for-federal-agents-as-immigration-enforcement-fears-ramp-up/
Can't help wondering how many stone cold rapists and paedophiles are out there pretending to be ICE and kidnapping people.
Perfect opportunity for them. Even worse are organized hate groups like KKK and friends
Some of those that work forces....
A lot more than any republican would every be willing to admit.
Here are some example of different impersonations:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/04/25/ice-agent-impersonate-kidnapping-florida-woman/83271541007/
What is most disturbing is that most of those are chaotic, disorganized impersonators who therefore got caught.
There are probably calm, professional-looking adults doing this and flying under the radar.
Exactly. Many criminals who do terrible crimes get caught because they panic and make dumb mistakes in fits of anxiety (criminals are humans, too, and like many humans in very high pressure situations, especially ones where your entire life is at stake if you fuck up, they crack).
But... a calm psycho or someone who really prepared well for it? That is scary as all hell.
Ted Bundy pretended to be a detective to try to lure at least one girl, but thankfully she escaped. How many others weren't that lucky?
We might see a brief resurgence in serial killers if they start to realize this is a valid tactic, and this shit will get ICE agents shot because many people carry guns specifically for over the top scenarios like these.
I sure as hell would start shooting. In Canada, if someone was actually trying to kidnap someone like that and the victim fired back, their shooting would be justified. They would still go to jail for years for illegally carrying a gun but the actual shooting would be justified. There is precedent for this in Canadian law.
I think the serial killers just got smart and took official positions where they can do horrible shit with the government's blessing
I rather suspect ICE agents are also carrying guns for that scenario.
Everyone in the US has a gun...
Could pretending to be ICE be a useful guerilla tactic?
Seems to be working for ICE
It's safest to assume it's all of them without exception.
In Annecy, Frnace, there's a plaque on one of the elementary schools where Jewish kids were forcibly removed from class by the ss and taken away. Same shit's starting to happen in America now.
Kill the fascists, disrupt their plans. Fuck them.
There's gonna be videos of ice shooting children by the time this is all over
They'll run into a classroom where kids are drawing, and claim they feared for their lives, because the pens could be used to harm them.
Then they'll get 2-6 weeks paid leave, and be promoted when they get back.
Nah, they’ll just get a stacked pension and an early retirement, putting them back into the field is bad optics.
More likely to be "let go" only to be rehired one county over immediately. That's what they do with the cops with records that they can't simply handwave away.
Just wait till the videos of children shooting ICE come out!
I should buy a gun.
You should train how to use a gun
Absolutely. I've been shooting periodically since I was a teenager but I could use a refresher.
Gold standard:
Be able to draw from concealment and hit a 6” steel circle at 10 yards in under 1.5 seconds. Every time, 10 draws in a row.
Ensure you can perform an elpresidente stage run in 6.5 seconds with all hits in the alpha scoring zone.
You can perform a fast drill in under 7 seconds, 3 times in a row back to back.
Your splits at 7 yards are under 2 tenths.
Your draw, shoot, reload, shoot on a 7 yard 6” steel plate is under 2.5 seconds. 10 times in a row.
Amateurs train until they get it right.
Professionals train until they can’t get it wrong.
You always fall in the moment to the level of your training, so absolutely train if you decide to arm yourself. Otherwise you have given someone in power the ability to take lethal force from you and use it against you, or worse, you have misapplied it and harmed someone you did not intend to.
Ty. Saving this advice for sooner rather than later.
Eyy, they're finally getting it
Better late than never
2 guns. AR-15 and Glock. Primary and sidearm. Or if you have the money, might as well get a Beretta 92FS as a sidearm.
then what? shoot and go to jail?
Better than not shooting and getting black bagged to El Salvador.
This would make me go nuclear.
Kidnapping our kids?
You want a primal reaction? This will fast track it.
White Americans: Nah, it is only happening to brown kids.
Given the fact that that have been doing this to young, white, blond haired Canadian girls, it is only a matter time before the white kids of liberals and left leaning people get snatched. And probably some from conservatives who still have a microgram of sense and a drop of compassion left.
This is more about racial/ethnic scapegoating (one of the central tenets of fascism) than you'd think.
The ideas here is not that different from Hitler's they just haven't come right out and said it.
That isn't to say white people shouldn't be worried. Fascism is designed to rapidly centralize power by telling the majority they're part of the 'in' crowd while in reality they will also be put through the meat grinder so that in the end it is only the state that survives.
Basically we work our way back to a monarchy and future geberations will have to wait for the next magna carta.
They do want that reaction. They're provoking normal people into violence to allow them to show an emergency and thus bring in the entire army
It's inevitable that it will happen. Whether someone wants it or not is irrelevant. If children are being kidnapped that's an appropriate response.
You stop them. With smoke if necessary.
Guess you should let then just take kids then /s
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The thing is that lashing out to the lackeys doesn't change much. The empire doesn't care if they lose a bunch of stormtoopers, that is what they get hired for, it only cares if it loses a few emperors.
They're doing that anyway. Might as well make them suffer the violence that they are hoping for.
They don't need to do that, the army is already deployed. They can just make something up like they always do.
it would be good if this was your reactive to anyone getting kidnapped.
I wonder how a person wakes up one day and says to him/herself: i want to kidnap children when i grow up
I think it's more about following your passion and just one day finding yourself behind the steering wheel.
To be fair, i did that, but i was aiming for a witchy mysterious throw-them-in-the-oven sorta way, and dropped that aspiration just about the second i learned the only people who kidnap children nowadays are pedophiles.
It's just not the right cultural moment for reclaiming that.
Please feel free to prove there's a single ice agent that's not a pedophile. Edit: then maybe i can start on my childhood dream of being a terrible witch who throws kids in my oven and/or cauldron.
i wouldn't go so far as to say theyre ALL pedophiles but theres probably a strong correlation between ice agents and people who disagree with the concept of consent
Do you have any proof though?
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"The sad truth is that most evil is done by people who never make up their minds to be good or evil." ~ Hannah Arendt
I still don't know what to make of her views on nazis given the fact she had a lifelong romantic relationship with the one who ejected her and other Jews from her university.
Did Heidegger not also possess this "banality of evil"? Or was he somehow an acception?
The romantic choices of many of us between the ages of 18-21 (her age during their actual affair) probably don't bear scrutiny.
An ex who later became a nazi (and then recanted) is probably an excellent example of how quotidian these kinds of evils can be.
She was only human and some of her views are problematic, but I don't think it's a case of contagion.
I'm not scrutinizing her for any choices between 18 and 21.
This was a lifelong relationship, Hannah herself reached out and continued writing letters in his defense from the 1950s to her death.
Ex? No.
Recanted? They denied he had any nazi sympathy and claimed it was all a mistake
This was the accepted view of Heidegger until 2014 when the black notebooks came out
Hannah defends him as just so focused on high philosophy he never noticed the antisemitism
https://www.openculture.com/2015/03/martin-heideggers-black-notebooks-reveal-the-depth-of-anti-semitism.html
Modern scholars seem to say otherwise
https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/10/troubling-new-revelations-about-arendt-and-heidegger.html
And are these your own views too? I thought you said you didn't know what to make of her.
I have to admit I'm not particularly invested in this issue, but I do think it's a gross mischaracterisation to say the letters post relationship somehow constitute an ongoing affair. They quite obviously don't.
Heidegger was an antisemitic Nazi and the black notebooks prove there was a lot more to that than he pretended after he publicly recanted. As far as I'm aware historians have not found any evidence that Arendt was any more aware of the content of the notebooks than anyone else was.
I agree Arendt's work is flawed as I noted above.
When I quoted her, my intention was simply to communicate that specific idea, with which I agree - not to evoke her as if she were some kind of infallible god.
I'm not in favour of abandoning the concepts of ideology and interpellation because Althusser murdered his wife, similarly I'm not going to abandon the concept of the banality of evil because Arendt was deluded about a creepy professor she had an affair with.
Oh I get that comes across weird, I'm looking all this stuff up as you're challenging me on it and what I'm finding is starting to solidify my views a bit more.
That doesn't seem as obvious to the New Yorker
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/01/12/beware-of-pity-Hannah-Arendt
(The author betrays a very obvious bias about what we're supposed to take away to be fair)
Yeah I'm with you there.
That I'm not sure.
I don't think I really know enough to have a right to that strong a view when the historical record seems to be changing so recently and most of her letters are lost whole she kept all of Heideggers, but what I'm finding is a bit troubling tbh.
For over half a century she was considered the best source of insight into Eichmann and Nazi psychology.
With new knowledge about her conflict of interest and defence of Heidegger I'm left wondering how much of an expert she should be considered.
It seems from the evidence, Heidegger was a willing and complicit Nazi who wrote about genuinely antisemetic views. In that light, Hannah's defence of him is surprising.
I'm unsure of what go make of her psychological evaluation capabilities if she had such a glaring blindspot here.
Right, neither am I.
That's why I didn't abandon it and instead said I am unsure what to make of it.
I'm not trying to come to a black or white conclusion, I think this is a complicated subject.
You know what can turn a normal parent into a "dOMestIC tERroRIst"?... fucking with their kids
Remember everyone. Due processes is there to determine if the activity is criminal. You are not a criminal until you have been convicted.
Saying anyone does not deserve due process bc they are a criminal is factually wrong
It's getting to that point.
Our only option is going to be killing them.
It's that or be killed.
Imagine a 1st grader in an El Salvadorian prison. Then remember that Trump's staff is full of eugenicists.
then you will be labelled terrorist and your house address will given to a drone by palantir, that will bomb it when you are at home with your entire family.
maga has a right to defend themselves
Everyday, some new horror to discover about the world. Goddamn.
Is this what "saving the children" look like?
“Save the children… for me”
-Average MAGA
Test run? You’re there already
"Test run"? When the fuck do people get that this is real?
Seven year olds, dude. Seven year olds.
America is completely and utterly fucked. There’s obviously no way Trump will run for president for a third term, but under the new fascist state, there isn’t a constitution to contest for said third term. He’ll be leader until death.
But hey, thank your stupid god that you believe in so firecely that you’ve got that second amendment in your constitution you so adamantly demanded you need for times just like this to have your guns to use and overthrow your tyrannical government. Oh wait. Right; you’re all fucking bark and no bite.
No, it was always a bad-faith argument so they could hold onto tools for killing brown people.
I dunno.. I like having my tools for stopping fascist threats against my person and my fellow trans community
Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater
Criminals will manufacture weapons regardless, just look at the freedom fighters in Myanmar using FGC Mk.II 3d printed guns.
You can make weapons out of hardware store parts
You can’t make a mill illegal
You won’t take CNC machines
Criminals behavior is the crime, not the knowledge or the means
Clearly I wasn't referring to you.
Good idea.
Most 2A nuts most likely voted for Mango Mussolini.
Does anyone have a source for this?
It happened a couple of months ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/homeland-security-agents-denied-entry-to-2-lausd-elementary-schools/
The link has an embedded local news report.
In the interest of maintaining some standard of evidence-based information, here is a source with more journalistic integrity than a bluesky screen cap:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/los-angeles-schools-leader-explains-why-he-refused-to-let-dhs-agents-see-students
Well the post body does include an abc7 video report. But thanks for additional sources.
I trust the Bluesky screenshot more than mainstream media.
Reminder that Sen. Mitt Romney wanted TikTok banned because it accurately reported on Gaza than the media, showing the active murders happening.
They want citizen's platforms banned and discredited because it tells truth to power.
I dont think its ever wise to trust an article headline, let alone a wall of text and a screen cap of a news video from a random internet user.
DHS has been stating they would be doing wellness checks since April under the pretense that they are preventing human trafficking. I cannot tell from any article I have read of them trying to visit schools if that is what they are actually after or not.
She has 38.000 likes though that is a lot of street cred.
It’s a good thing you can’t bot, buy, or scam likes! Otherwise this bulletproof form of deciding who is trustworthy would be useless!
True.
Meanwhile at CNN: the protesters are throwing these... 40mm rubber bullet grenades at the cops...
Two things can be true.
You mean you trust media that can't be held responsible more than media that actually loses reputation when they do something wrong and can be sued?
So they'll be sued for failing to report Trump's rise to power soon?
Rupert Murdock will be sued for aiding in Fox News? And the deaths he helped caused? The people who he had mobs form because of false accusations of pedophilia?
The WDMs in Iraq that the New York Times helped to sell to the American public?
Reporting that COVID is gone, we don't need to worry about it anymore?
Israel's war crimes being covered up by the media because it looks better?
They'll be sued and lose reputation now, right?
No I trust media which does lose reputation and can be held accountable for when they publish massieve conspiracy theories such as Alex Jones did.
Unlike legacy media such as New York Times which makes up fake rape accusations against whatever country America needs to smear next and gets away with it without repercussions.
Alex Jones is mainstream media, bud
Did you find those WMD'S in Iraq yet?
How is that Nariyah testimony going?
Mass rapes on october 7 right?
What the actual fuck
It would be kind of funny if one of the teachers that had a gun because of conservative "arm the teachers to stop shootings!" shot a kidnapper that was trying to take students.
Well, anther school shooting that day.
Are they looking for handmaids?
Pedo shit
Elites stealing children for their adrenochrome where are those chicken shit little conspiracy cunts when we could use them.
You're UNAMERICAN if you DONT want Random Strangers KIDNAPPING 1st graders! And if you TRY to VOICE your Opinion AGAINST Kidnapping First Graders our Dear Leader Trump will send US MARINES TO GET YOU!
Stephen Miller is probably even more evil than TACO Don.
Ice ICE.
Baby
https://www.commondreams.org/news/can-ice-raid-schools
Vote fascism.
Get fascism.
Yeah, those goddamn Trump-voting first graders. Fuck.
Rumor has it that might need to be amended to "agree to electronic voting, expect fraud"
I generally agree, evoting mostly solves a nonexistent problem.
What about the people who didn’t vote fascism and instead stayed home and complained about the black woman and Israel?
Maybe should've voted instead...
Or the people who kept us from getting anyone who could actually rally enough people to fight fascism before it got this far by standing behind the senile old guy nobody liked who proved for four years he wasn't gonna stop shit, til he literally shat his pants on stage, then gave us his appointed second, who kept all the same policies and was personally a cop.
Just fuck them all, whole country is a write-off.
Whatever excuse you guys need to use to dodge responsibility i guess. The rest of us around the world are smart enough to hold our nose and vote in a candidate to oppose fascism, but Americans aren’t smart
Great way to sleepwalk into fascism
I wish I could argue with you about this. But I can't. I voted for Harris, so many here refused because she wasn't good enough. It's like they want to go straight from where we are to perfect in a single election. The reason the process is slow is to avoid the very situation we're in now. Incremental progress. Unfortunately the last 60 years or so have been used to erode the whole process, so we're left with law makers and judges more interested in being rich and influential than doing their jobs.
I'm seriously looking forward to the results from the Rockland county NY election lawsuit. I'm seriously bummed the Harris campaign did fundraising for a recount but never called for one.
Yeah, its my fault the candidate was bad.
No, it's not. We can argue whether or not she was really bad, or just not good enough, but the point is, when you have a choice between not perfect (or "bad" for the sake of argument) and objectively awful, and you choose nothing, then you're equally responsible for the current state of things.
There are people suffering and dying now because he's in charge, and let musk take his stupid chainsaw to aid programs. Israel is still doing awful things to the Palestinians, and he did absolutely nothing to help the situation between Ukraine and Russia. He's ramming into every guardrail in our government and breaking through many of them. There will absolutely and 100% be more death and suffering with him as president than if we had gotten Harris. This was obvious well before the election, however the scope and speed are surprising, pretending that abstinence is somehow the morally superior stance is mind boggling.
Literally voting for genocide and telling other people to vote for genocide while saying this shit
Literally voting for fascism and telling other people to vote for fascism and telling them it's to fight fascism.
You think the Dems who are not doing shit now would have somehow prevented this? They're complacent. Politician's aren't owed your vote just because the other guy is worse, thats not democracy. Politicians need to earn your vote, and not one pesidential candidate has in a decades.
This is where we've been heading for over 4 decades, with no opposition. There was no magic choice that would have prevented this, or possibly even just slow it. Dems at best would just slow the pace a little, but never stop it. Best they can say is that we need "unity" despite the fact that you can't do a "middle ground" with people who want you wiped out. Kamala would have capitulated to the trump party's demands as she was already doing with her rhetoric while the genocide continued because "she's speaking". The Democratic party and Kamala failed the people, not the other way around. Sooner you realize that, the sooner you can see who your real enemies are.
Could the Dems have prevented a second trump presidency if you had voted for Harris? Yes I believe that.
Fact is you guys bitched about Biden and so you got an educated black lady instead and you guys were still like “no not that!” The American left splintered and imploded and nobody was left enough for anyone else. If you were even slightly right or even left of someone you got called a fascist. You guys rejected allies at every turn. Meanwhile the right united, played you guys and ate your lunch.
The rest of us around the world are rightfully pissed off at you cretins who even now still pretend like there’s no difference between Trump and Harris
Theres so much distintion you completley boiled out of that, to the point where I don't think you're actually analzing anything and are just lashing out.
I wouldn't call a cop, supporter of genocide, unpopular, failed candidate no one wanted, whose biggest accomplishments are being for transfering trans people to the wrong prisons, and heading the office that argued against letting out of prisoners as it would deplete a "necessary labor pool" just an "educated black lady", and in fact boiling down an individual to just a symbolic representation of their skin color is pretty damn rascist.
If you really think Dems could have prevented this you haven't been paying attention. Their job was to be complicent to maintain the status quo as much as possible, and crush any true progressive movements, as they do time and time again. Even fucking FDR's new deal that gets lauded as a huge victory was used to undercut the true demands of the labor movement of the time.
Just because some people painfully aware of the horrific positions we are in as a working class, and realize that the only way we stand any chance is to throw off the illusions and start playing hardball, doesn't mean they are the enemies for challenging your own complaiency.
Every voter who stayed home, voted for it as much as those who went to the election place and voted for Trump.
Don't vote? Don't fucking complain.
Only nazis who promote and support genocide can complain
I, a nazi, came up with this rule
Only nazis can make rules
Nobody's asking the real question: Why are first graders driving unmarked cars to begin with?
Give those kids sharpies and let them mark their cars! Booster seats might also be a good idea so they can see who they hit.
I mean might as well so they can keep accurate track of the body count on the side of the car.
ICE aren't human. Just kill em
If you don't crack the next ICE agent you see over the head with a brick or a large rock, you're complicit.
Love to, but they usually come in pairs or more. Any plans for avoiding the subsequent retaliatory gunfire?
Bring a friend, or make it a date.
Take a page from Ukraine. Drones can drop all kinds of interesting things.
Something something Putin something kids in Ukraine.
Trump admin has no original ideas.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
What, in LA where they voted overwhelmingly voted for Harris but at always shafted by the electoral college?
Pretty sure they mean people who didn't vote at all as a form of "protest."
As a non US person I'm baffled at the amount of guys that went "Kamala wouldn't win so I didn't vote"
Saddest of it all is that it was white guys the most so they basically face no consequences
A lot of others online said, "since Kamala will support Israel, I'm not voting at all."
Lack of democratic action.
There is no such thing as Democracy in the US system, and voting Kamala without agreeing with her would have nothing to do with "democratic action" - in that duopolist power structure at most voting Kamala as the "lesser evil" was short/mid-term risk reduction: understandable, but let's not call such a "you have no actual choice" action "democratic".
No argument here. Just wanted to give people outside the US a little more perspective. The lack of democratic action started with the Democratic party. They didn't even pretend to have a primary election. Ofc, most people I know won't participate in those anyway.
Fascinating that you think my comment was/should be limited to LA.
Not entirely on topic, but I think we should have armed guards for our schools. They and other people in the movement against Trump should have an verifiable ID, so that fake protectors can't prey on folks. Here is an ID that I mocked up.
Paired with an secure database and legitimate app built for it, we can use a QR code for people to use. Name, picture, role in the movement, home state, medical information, and so forth can be provided through it. In this fashion, we can keep people safer. Plus, in the event of open war, our casualties can be more easily identified. This might save lives, since the medical information can allow for more tailored treatment. EG: Penicillin allergies.
isn't a great big database of dissenters the thing the Trump admin really really wants to put together?
That would happen anyways. They got the DMV, voting records, Palantir, and so forth. This is more about ensuring that we can trust our own folks - whip out a phone, check if the app gives a legit profile, and then let the person pass through a checkpoint or join up with an activity.
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You must be a godawful unhappy person.
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No it's unjustified sanctimony alternating with "how could this possibly gave happened!?" On a loop forever.