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    More countries should follow Ireland and Poland. They recognized the ICC judgement for Ben and his backward insanity.

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    Instead of denying the label “terrorist”, we should embrace and normalize it. It was always a rhetorical weapon for the status-quo, and we have the power to take that away.

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      The GOP has already done some of the legwork on that with their “We are all domestic terrorists” stunt.

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      While I see your point to a degree, that Netenyahu pic should really be a picture of Biden standing next to netenyahu, because thats the reality of it, right. This renders US jurisdiction irrelevant. Netenyahu, Biden, and Putin too are rogue actors who shouldnt ever be allowed to travel beyond their countries borders again. If caught they should be rendered to the hague for war crimes.

      Criminals dont get to set a personally convenient standard for what justice is. the US and Israel both ratified the geneva conventions, so they are bound by it.

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        That would make sense if international politics were any more than thinly veiled terrorism itself. The whole UN thing is an exercise in manufacturing legitimacy, and the fact people actually think that there is a world in which it holds the most powerful actors to account proves that it’s worked.

        They are a mafia with a protection racket, very little more.

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          That would make sense if

          I’ll take your comment as merely cynical rather than an attempt to deny the case against Biden and Netenyahu. Theres nothing any better out there than the Un at the moment. And genocide is genocide. The fact that its being discussed in the UN --which you say has merely manufactured legitimacy-- doesnt make Israels murders any less of a crime against humanity. And for Biden, a blatant criminal enterprise violating many US laws, that he should absolutely see prison time for. He’s going to be in the history books as a war criminal and theres not much anyone can do about that now.

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            Of course they’re crimes against humanity, I’m not trying to undermine anything, I just don’t understand where people think any prosecution like this would meaningfully come from. Like there needs to be a realistic understanding of what can happen, and this is power politics.

            The US is a permanent member of the UN security council, they can veto anything the UN wants to do, and it’s set up that way to ensure it can’t go against any of the big 5’s interests. That alone should destroy the UN’s legitimacy, but corporate media and the political class prop it up and make people think that it’s this place where the big issues are discussed reasonably and rationally. It isn’t.

            No court can prosecute anyone unless it has the power to enforce its rulings, and the UN just doesn’t have that.

            Look up the Hague Invasion Act. The US has stated, as a matter of law, that it will invade the Hague if they ever try to prosecute any US service member. Do you really need me to break down what that means for the concept of international law? If you’re going to call anything cynical, that is cynical. If the UN is the best that exists, then that just means that our current system has no justice.

            The ability to solve this problem will come from people organising resistance, not from states, not from courts of law, not from some big in-control powerful body stepping in to help us. We help us.

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    I have a feeling that Luigi, a working class hero, won’t be going to McDonald’s ever again lol

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      Seems like lately whenever theres an awful event in the US, mcdonalds is somehow mentioned. Its like pure evil emenates from the place.

      They still do have the best fries though, I have to admit-- although a large fries is $5.44 now. Evil.

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      Some might not consider him working class.

      But yeah, unless they start having McDonald’s at the commissary (which now that I think about it, is not outside the realm of possibility) he probably won’t be eating at any restaurant ever again.

      He should have gone to a no extradition country. Not Pennsylvania.

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        Does that title really require someone to be FROM the working class? I always thought it was more about who they fought for.

        Take Che Guevara, for instance — the guy was from an upper class family who could afford to send him to med school. So was Marx, whose father was lawyer with a comfortable income who could afford to have all of 9 children (though not all of them survived). And John Lennon, who wrote the song that inspired the meme, had already had an enormously successful musical career and was quite likely a multi millionaire by that point.

        Also, Bernie Sanders is a millionaire as well but still widely considered a hero by the working class because that’s who he fights for.

        Point is, my understanding is that “working class hero” isn’t so much about the class membership of the hero themselves, but it’s simply whomever the working class considers a hero. That can of course include members of the working class as well (say, firefighters who risk their lives saving others, for example).

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      you may have a case of blindness worse than my school ThinkPad’s scratched up camera, because if you merely read the first 3 words of the title, them being “US judicial logic”, you would’ve realised how off-base your comment is.

      As a person with glasses myself, it seems you might need to seek an optometrist, just a thought.

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        Picture shows anti-Semitism. Without the picture having to show it, it also means siding with terrorists, rapists, etc. and being against any form of democracy and religion that thinks differently. This anti-Semitism is disgusting and the way it is defended is even more disgusting. You animals have completely lost your humanity… Picture shows 2 non-terrorist. This meme is pure antisemitism. ( even trump would make more sense on the right picture)

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          So it’s antisemitism to criticize political actions, which lead to genocide, rape, and piles of dead children, huh?
          TIL…

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            You call political actions that protect against genocide, which the terrorist Palestinians want to carry out against Jews (not Zionists), terror? So you defend child molesters etc? So you celebrate the Palestinian attack on democratic values in the West within the West? So you want to see millions of dead Jews to make you happy? Misanthropic sick terrorist believer that’s all you are.

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              Looks like in your world there’s only black and white and you can’t seem to fathom that self-defense needs to have limits. Am I right?

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          Anti-Semitism is hatred or discrimination of Jews based on their nationality.

          No sane person holds anything against Jews, or supports violence against them. Some actual antisemites do, but they are in the tiny minority.

          What people mostly stand against is the violence perpetrated by the Israeli army on the land of Palestine.

          Israel has all the capacity to defend its citizens; yet Israeli army went way beyond defence or retaliation, into the territory of indiscriminate razing of everyone and everything, women, children, and sick, homes and hospitals. The state of Israel is accountable for enormous amounts of recorded human rights and law of war violations, and that’s the key reason nearly all of the international community took the side of defending Palestine. Should Palestine have the capacity and will to do the same to Israelis at the same scale, the international opinion would reverse.

          However, as Israel has to gain public support, which is hard to do when you’re commiting genocide, the government and its allies (mainly US and UK, both of whom have strategic interests in Israeli expansion) decided to adopt the rhetoric of antisemitism as something that would virtually put you along the lines of Nazis should you try and challenge their notion. No, Nazis were actual antisemites and pursued to eliminate Jews; the international community wants to put an end to the genocide of Palestinian Arabs, while rejecting any hostility directed against Jews.

          Wishing to eliminate one nationality to make safer room for the other, as well as “bringing in the correct values” by means of violence is a bloodthirsty and dangerous fantasy historically proven again and again to lead to terrible outcomes while multiplying suffering; yet by some it is understood for the very imagined and unrealistic scenario of falling Israel, but ignored while Palestine is actively razed by a hostile force of a much greater scale, ignoring all international treaties.

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            Cry me a river with your propaganda shit. Try hard in defend terrorist genocide rapist child molesters etc. Was you happy the first year Israeli did not attacked and so much got killed? Its against Jews in general and you will defend the genocide. So disgusting

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      Its pretty telling to all of us that talking about complying with the geneva conventions = terrorism to you.