Quokk.auUS to impose sanctions on Palestinian organisations
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MyOpinionSounds about right for the shit stains that run our government.
magnetosphereIf they visited the U.S., they’d only be harassed by ICE anyway. Plus, there is no reason to try and negotiate with the current government. Denying them visas is nothing but a pointless “insult”.
Good thing we didn't elect those genocidal Democrats, huh?
This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥Isn't there an agreement between the UN and US requiring it to let people the UN wishes to be at their New York offices into the US?
I know Trump and friends don't like rules, but surely they'd like to keep the UN a thing based out of the US.
LemmyoutofhereWhy the hell would they want to move to that dumpster fire?
It's not a matter of moving. Just getting inside to talk face to face at all for negotiations, for pleading for help.
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Traitors how?
Also, that would mean everyone who stormed the capital shouldn't be allowed here (agreed), but that isn't happening...
UnderpantsWeevilLiterally anyone born in another country is ipso facto an enemy of the Glorious American Empire.
Your very existence is an affront to the sensibilities of our nation's leadership.
Lemmy leans left / anti-imperialist, and the left generally considers the Palestinian Authority traitors or collaborationists, somewhat analogous to Irish Freestaters
the left generally considers the Palestinian Authority traitors or collaborationists
Not so much that they want Israeli settlers to murder them. The PA his historically operated as a kind-of Vichy Republic to the Israeli fascist regime. But the outright genocide that the IDF is facilitating goes well beyond what any PA official has ever condoned, much less participated in. This is the difference between a police state and a gas chamber.
Nobody on "The Left" is advocating that mid-level Palestinian bureaucrats be starved to death under siege or tortured to death by tweaked out Settlers.
There is no other way to call the people who collaborate with israel for israel security while doing nothing against the settlers terrorists that are supported and armed by israel
NOT_RICKI mean, the armed struggle angle ain’t exactly carrying much water for the people of Gaza rn either. Seems like a real rock and a hard place choice to make.
PA way ain't carrying much water either. Israel always wanted the whole land since the beginning. While the pa is respecting all of oslo accords israel keep stealing more lands and keeping palestinians
what about a palestinian is a traitor? you must mean zionists.
A traitor is someone within your group or country. A palestinian who collaborate with isrsel is a traitor there is no other way to call
who said they collab with zionists?
ok so those cohorts? yeah. i couldnt really grok the entire first article since the site is such mobile horseshit.
It's literally in the oslo accords . Israel didn't respect it and continued building settlements and armed and defended the terrorist settlers. So PA should stop cooperation and security collaboration that only serve israel occupation but they are traitors so they kept helping israel
Soft on israel, tough on palestinian civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/23/palestine-authorities-crush-dissent
This an example of a Palestinian was arrested and tortured just for protesting israel genocide in gaza . He is not part of any Palestinian armed factions
what the fuck are you talking about? “israel” is a terrorist region run by zionists. the only legit nation state in the area is palestine.
anyone who crushes dissent against israel is, very true, a fucking piece of shit.
where in this article though does it say that is happening?
I am talking about the pa leadership who collaborate with the terrorist state of israel ruled by the supermasist and occupation ideology of zionism
Explain?
So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?
Fuck Hamas. They don't get to call themselves Gaza or Palestine. They are the same kind of filth that's responsible for the genocide in Gaza. All these genocidal maniacs can please fuck off and leave normal peaceful people the fuck alone.
What have you read about Palestinian politics / the PA / the Oslo Accords?
after they attacked Israel and started a war
When was that?
Read the context in article i replied to and maybe it'll be more obvious to you what specific attack I'm referring to.
So not at all "after they attacked Israel and started a war" but rather before.
You have your timeline muddled. The Palestinian Authority have been working with Israel since '93. They killed Nizar Banat for speaking against them in 2021.
You said "*So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?*" Your point just doesn't really make sense. You're speaking as though history starts in October 2023.
Again, what have you read about Palestinian politics / the PA / the Oslo Accords?
Israel started the war by continuing occupation. Israel is the only one responsible for the genocide. It was always the case that the occupier is responsible for everything including terrorists attacks by the occupied
So being praised for not supporting Hamas after they attacked Israel and started a war makes you a traitor to Gaza?
Collaborating with an occupying force that arms settler terrorists and protect them and kill normal palestinians make you are traitors. Is that so hard to understand?
No, Hamas crossing the border and purposely targeting and murdering civilians was not justified, just like Israel doing it to civilians is not justified. Set aside your blatant bias and maybe you'll be able to use your brain properly.
There is no other way to call the people who collaborate with israel for israel security while doing nothing against the settlers terrorists that are supported and armed by israel
Comment calling Palestinians who take arms from Israel to kill other Palestinians "traitors" was removed for "racism".
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Victim-blaming as national policy.
At this point, I'm not even the tiniest bit surprised.
The one reassuring thing in all of this is that it's near certain that the era in which history can be manipulated is likely over - that the advent of the internet and the proliferation of information makes it so that once the principals are out of power or dead, history is going to narrow in on the actual truth.
And the actual truth about Israel and Palestine, and the US's involvement, is very, very ugly, and I suspect that no matter how much success the psychopaths and liars have diverting from that fact currently, it's going to come out eventually, and rightly take its place as a terribly shameful part of history.
It'll of course be too late for the mass-murderers and their enablers and co-conspirators to face the consequences they so richly deserve, but it's something.
What if we made a different two state solution by returning Palestine to its people and moving Israel to the US? (where they're clearly loved and wanted)
just think how much worse this would have been if we elected Genocide
JoeHarristhankfully the both-sides voters warned me
The best predictor we have of how Harris's government would behave is Harris's own words and the actions of the labor government in the UK. Both of them are indistinguishable from Trump's current policies. Remember, it was the Biden administration that started the ethnic cleansing plan.
But something tells me you'll respond how Democrats usually respond. Literally sticking your fingers in your ears.
Would Harris’s administration be just as deaf to pressure from protests as the Donald administration has been?
Again, in making such decisions, all we can judge by is the evidence in front of our eyes. I observe:
Liberal parties currently in power in Anglo countries are offering no meaningful resistance to Israel. None have stopped weapons shipments.
There is broad refusal among the Democratic centrists, who Kamala is a firm member, to endorse Mamdani, primarily due to his stance on Israel.
A continuation among Democratic party leaders to hold the line on Israel. Congressional Democrats haven't used what limited leverage they do have to slow the flow of weapons to Israel at all.
A complete silence on Kamala since the election on the Israel issue. She's still a very influential voice in the party, and she still has political aspirations. She now doesn't even have the Biden admin keeping her on a short leash.
I am a scientist. I try to make judgments based on what I can directly observe. The default stance of centrist Democrats and of every liberal government in the Anglosphere has been continued unconditional support of Israel, even to today. And since Kamala hasn't stated anything to the contrary, the median observable behavior of politicians like herself is the best predictor we have of how she would have behaved as president. If you take a dispassionate evidence-based view of the issue, it's pretty clear that there would be no difference in the Gaza outcome between Kamala and Trump. Their policies are both 100% full support of the Israeli regime. Trump is just a lot more crass and cruel about it. Kamala virtue signals, Trump vice signals. But in terms of actual policy outcomes, their Israel policies are identical.
Completely ignoring the UN voting numerous times to hold Israel accountable and the US being the only one to block the vote. And the EU sanctioning. And France, Germany, the Netherlands, etc with their stances against Israel. Kinda seems like you’re just looking for reasons. Literally here’s an article from today. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/07/31/senate-democrats-vote-block-israel-arms-sales/
From a few months ago. https://www.axios.com/2025/04/03/senate-democrats-cancel-military-aid-israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-half-of-us-senate-democrats-back-failed-measures-to-block-arms-sales-to-israel/
“If you take a dispassionate view” you’d stop ignoring the evidence that there is a difference between the two. I’m guessing you didn’t vote for Kamala and you’re looking for justification to make your reasoning less ethically dubious.
Edit: I’ve read your other comments in this thread and according to you the last statement I made is incorrect so please do explain the reasoning here. You’re either not paying attention to what’s actually happening, you haven’t fully thought about the situation, or you didn’t bother to research before making your comments.
I am all for the scientific method, but do you really think Biden or Harris would have done this? What does your evidence tell you?
“Trump administration will withhold disaster aid from states and cities that boycott Israel”
https://lemmy.world/post/33962769
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Over a hundred thousand Gazans were murdered on Joe Biden's watch. That isn't propaganda, that's simple fact.
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Don't be rude. Don't accuse others of wanting a negative outcome. Don't assume how people voted, because you just assumed wrong.
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Yes. And so did every other leftist you see on here talking about the Biden/Kamala genocide problem. But no matter how many times folks like you are reminded of this, y'all just keep going on and pretending otherwise.
Fucking cunts.