Quokk.auRon DeSantis Says Floridians Have Right to Hit Protesters With Cars
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Remember this when federal agents surround your car and demand you exit. Desantis just said you can run them over if you fear for your life and flee to safety.
So by extension if I am peacefully protesting and somebody tries to hit me with a car/deadly weapon can I "Stand My Ground" and shoot at the driver? Asking for a friend.
TropicalDingdong
You can run over ICE agents as long as you believe they are, in fact, protesters! It's fascist governor approved!
CileTheSaneNo ID saying they are ICE, so they very well could be protestors! You have no way of knowing and feel threatened...
CharlesDarwinAlso, aren't many of them wearing masks? "Hell, I thought they were antifa and BLM!"
"Officer you can't arrest me because that ICE agent you scraped out from under my bumper was protesting before I hit him"
I’ll be at the protest in Orlando. I hope to see some of you there.
Saturday, 5 to 7:30 PM, 400 S. Orange Ave., Orlando, FL
Hey Ron if I ask to run you over with my car and you protest and say no, can I run you over with my car now?
hemmesI mean, technically, DeSantis is a protester, he protests all types of shit
blitzenThere is logic behind not prohibiting people from fleeing from a legitimate threat.
But if his comments don’t also include the statement that people protests blocking traffic don’t constitute a threat, it’s just implicit permission to harm protesters.
DarkFutureRon DeSantis has the right to be absolutely demolished by Disney and have his presidential bid collapse before his very eyes.
What's the definition of threatens though?
Baron Von JI'd imagine it's just feeling threatened. If multiple people swarm your car and start physically hitting it, I'd argue they just fucked around and are fair game for finding out.
Sadly, my crystal ball tells me some old women is going to blow off the handle and run people over, claiming she felt threatened as an excuse.
The RW freaks sure do have an obsession with being able to run over protestors.
Yes that makes the RW freaks very weird. They are weird about this just like they are about so many other things...
BeBopALouieI think in Florida, they have that stand your ground thing which does extend past your home?
If so, you would be totally fine in shooting the idiot that’s behind the wheel of the car. Also, if magats were protesting, well, you could run them over too I guess.
Not in California.
AAAAAAAAAND got dinged for that too. Pathetic. Won’t even state the rule broken. “Rule #” doesn’t mean anything.
Mods on Lemmy allow this but any kind of retaliation against the Nat-C’s gets you dinged. Absolute hypocrites
BigFigYou can say the word Nazi like a grown up
But he's not talking about Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; he's talking about nationalist-christians.
CarbonIceDragonRon DeSantis isn't a lemmy mod, to my knowledge.
This post isn't about "hey everybody go kill protestors." It's about "hey if you're protesting I'm Florida expect some Nazi to try and kill you with their car so be careful."
theprogressivistIt always amazes me how much republicans hate the constitution.
Boomer Humor DoomergodThey like the idea of the constitution, just like they like the idea of the Bible: an unquestionable authority with no real rules on its interpretation.
I’m not even sure they like the idea of the constitution. They want orders from on high, and that is absolutely not what the idea of the constitution is. The constitution, as originally written even, is everything about America that republicans currently hate. They want one man to wield practically unlimited power.
Anyone who holds “The Founding Fathers” in reverence has no business in government.
But if you don’t act like that you won’t get elected.
TomMaszThis will backfire when people see a bunch of armed larping individuals attempting to swarm their car in a threating manner.
You already know, that if some Floridian Neo-Nazi group gets a van thrown at them, the tune will immediately change as if they said nothing of the sort.
They will deny it was meant that way no matter who does it. There is no way he can protect someone who runs anyone over. This is just to encourage people to do it, and it's wild that it may actually work...
I can't even believe these are the things being said at all these days. Wtf is wrong with all of these people.
That's when we'll learn the difference between "an angry mob" and "peacefully protesting patriots"
They have a right to drive into a brick thrown by protesters as well then.
Fingolfinz
BlackoutIt's kinda already true with bikers. I've been hit 4 times while commuting by bike and they never were ticketed. Each one was pulling out of a driveway without looking
The Nazi says Nazi shit? I'm shocked
This is the same guy who had a Nazi symbol in one of his political ads made by some people hired directly from 4chan.
That decree is an act of protest, as such, Desatan? Meet hood ornament!
Just wait for him to casually cross the street then BAM. Get out afterwards and plant an ANTIFA sign on him, all legal.
Cross the street? On foot, like a poor?
It's Florida. The only pedestrians there have no other options.
This post title is disingenuous. DeSantis doesn't say drivers have the right to hit protesters with cars under all circumstances, only when the drivers are threatened.
And I'm sure no one is ever going to misuse that and claim the protester calmly standing in front of the car was "threatening them!!!1!!!1"
That ICE agent looks a lot like a protestor.
Protesting immigrants seems to be their thing
I thought it was the protestors wearing masks! Honest!
Lookout, Jimbo! He's comin' right for us!
In a stand your ground state?
Haha, ok. Good luck, Attorney General James Uthmeier.
If an armed protestor shoots a driver who is driving at them with intent to cause bodily harm, they... Both have the right to possibly kill one another?
Driver has the green light. Gunman has the green light.
Cool, cool. Makes sense.
Skin color, last name and political affiliation will determine who’s the victim and who’s the assailant
Purge ruleset
Fuck yeah, Night City here we come!
What a country!
The first armed protest on a freeway will clarify everything.
There is nothing the far-right would love more than to bring the Fallujah strategy to Tampa Bay. You are absolutely off your rocker if you think the modern American political leadership is not chomping at the bit to drop a MOAB on the Woke Mob.
The first armed protest on a freeway will be smeared across the pavement, while FOX News anchors cheer and drink champagne in between cuts to Donald Trump on the deck of an aircraft carrier under a big banner that says "Mission Accomplished".
That sounds like maximum USA . Two people not caring about the other, only thinking about themselves, and neither willing to just back off
Childish Gambino is apparently a modern prophet
Or somebody whoat least once talked to an old black person, old hippie, old communist, or old queer.
Well ya see, the driver is based and the shooter is woke so the shooter is wrong and gets the chair if the car doesn't kill them first
He continued, “You get 20 points for adult males, 30 points for adult females, and 50 points for children. Points can be redeemed for ‘DesantisBucks’ once you reach 500 points or more.”
EDIT: a word
Frankenstein approves
Deep cut
The whole "hitting pedestrians is worth points" trope originated from Death Race 2000, I think. Still, yeah! Weird old movie.
DeSantisCoin, a new crypto backed by the leader of Florida Man
Can I get it in the form of an unregulated memecoin?
Best I can do is bath salts
What's the exchange rate to Stanley Nickles?
God damn, I managed to eat an onion on a /c/nottheonion comment...
I rushed over the article to find where that quote was from, only to feel dumber and dumber as it dawned on me that it is, in fact, way past bedtime.
He may not have said it, but I guarantee he’s thinking it
Cool, so all we need now is a list of Proud Boy demonstrations in FL.
No not those protests
Put in the work and publish it. The left is full up on “idea men.”
So we have the right to hit you with our car Ron?
I hope he says no, thus protesting your request...
are you fleeing for your safety surrounded by ron de santises?
I think Ron DeSantis getting hit by a car would be for everyone's safety.
ron isnt a human, closest is ahumanoid alien, he will just ressurect in a new clone body.
Wait, I've seen that plot
Don't try to be rational with ghouls.
The duty, I'd say.
Awesome, so if you see those maga people at crosswalks or outside of planned parenthood, go ahead and run them down
I don't understand how these MAGA Morons can't figure out that these laws they want are two-edged swords. If they can use it against normal people, then normal people can use it against them, too.
That's because you still think the system will act fairly, it won't. If you hit someone the administration likes, you're in trouble, if you someone they don't like, you're a hero.
There's never been any intentions of fairness from the republicans, rules for thee not for me.
That works great as long as Right-wingers stay in power. They have this overwhelming arrogance that tells them they will NEVER leave office, but then they always manage to be so terrible at governing that they eventually get kicked out. Then all those oppressive laws can be used against them, if Dems could muster up any sense of courage.
Right, when the Democrats are in power they're afraid of Republicans, when the Republicans are in power they're afraid of nothing
This is the number one flaw with the "rule of law" and State authority structure. The enforcement of the law always comes down to how the ruling body of authority, the State and its representatives, interpret the laws. It is why they are intentionally written to be vague, to allow a court wiggle room in how to apply the letter of a law to a unique situation, and many in fact contradict each other if argued a certain way.
If the system becomes corrupted, which it often is due to how top-down power attracts people who seek control over others, those vagaries can be used as weapons against those who oppose their power and to systematically exploit marginalized people.
Maga has gotten the green light that rules don't apply to them especially after j6 pardons. If someone runs over a maga idiot you can guarantee courts will throw the book at the driver. Rules for the and not for me.
Issue is, they don't want equal laws for all. They want a hierarchical system, where people upper the ladder have more rights and more protections, because "it worked well for the kings". If they want to conform to this rule of reactionary movements, they will likely make it so, that they'll specify "illegal protests" somewhere...
only if they attack you.
He said if they need to flee for their safety which maga snowflakes see a black person and will assume they're being attacked and need to flee for safety.
In that case, I guess it's ok to splatter the folks protesting in front of planned parenthood?
Fact check:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said drivers in his state are allowed to hit protesters if they feel as though their life is being threatened.
So technically true. But still not great
Which means the same as their ridiculous stand your ground law: right wing traitor lunatics will get away with actual crimes, and normal decent folks will get busted.
Which begs the question I've been asking for some time now: If someone tries to run someone over, and they respond by (non-fatally) shooting the driver, who gets arrested? (Assume both are white republicans).
To make matters more complicated the driver is homeless and living in their motorhome, so were they also attacked in their own home?
Florida has Castle Doctrine AND Stand Your Ground. Anybody comes into your home or vehicle, give them an overdose of lead.
Using the “Kyle Rittenhouse” excuse!
“I was so fearful, that I drove from my house in IL to another state with a rifle and shot people because, “I feared for my life! Not like it was murder or anything!”
So now all MAGOTS are free range, hit em if you see them and feel threatened!! So in FL you can run someone over via the governor! So fucking dumb! I can’t even try to understand what is truly going on in America because no one can other than all the oligarchs and billionaires running the country/world!!
Which is the case pretty much anywhere, you have the right to escape.
I've seen videos of random people just surrounded after a football match or some other shit and they start just fuvking with the car and jump on the bonnet and try to open doors. I would 100% just floor it and good luck guys. But i don't think that's what he means.
This is just one more reason why there needs to be an organization participating in protest spaces specifically to provide armed security, same as Black Panthers provided security for civil rights protests.
People won't be so willing to drive into a crowd of protesters if the bloc has an armed perimeter.
Problem is they will disappear, jail, or kill any genuine organizers and infiltrate / sabotage any organization that actually gets to a place of effectively mobilizing a strategy like this.
Don’t get me wrong, I think something like this would help level the playing field and benefit the protesters tremendously but the FBI and DOJ won’t let it happen. Look at the people that tried organizing the Ferguson protests after the death of Eric garner, Freddy grey, Tamir rice, back in 2012-2015 they’re all dead or in jail.
People need to protect and organize themselves. Thats what the black panthers did and that’s precisely why they were so effective. They built up from their preexisting communities.
Problem is they are already doing this regardless of if your an organizer or not. If the regime decides you're a target, then you're fucked. So might as well start organizing to defend against those who actively wish to do you and yours harm.
This is why organizations need to practice good OpSec in order to prevent infiltration.
Yea, and part of what the Black Panthers did in their organizing was to provide armed security for protests, among a plethora of other mutual aid programs.
Those problems have existed for every single revolutionary effort to exist across history. That didn't stop them and it shouldn't stop us either.
Or an organization keeping our streets free of killibg machines
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Difference of scale.
The Xitter post cheering the speech caught my attention, so I clicked through to the X user, "iAnonPatriot" and just have to say, wow.
It starts off with his bio image being literal hands goatse'ing through the virtual Matrix grid, and it only gets worse from that level of basic. Just a red-pill Nazi fever dream in feed form. 610K followers.
Videos of protestors getting abused are his favorite, apparently. One top one is police firing gas into apparently peaceful protestors. The protestor kicks it back, walks back and is just standing there doing nothing threatening, and then apparently gets shot with a rubber(?) bullet and lies motionless for a moment before someone picks him up and he walks off. The caption this guy gave is "HOLY SH*T Perfect shot.. 🤣🤣🤣". Anti-LGBTQ posts feature as well. General concentrated bile into a convenient feed.
So I guess this "influencer" is what Gen Z is getting fed by algorithms and told is normal day-in and day-out?
Words always evolve, but it's kind of a shame that "patriot" got turned into "I completely lack empathy and am a psychopathic piece of shit bootlicker."
Germany was full of patriotic nationalists a century ago.
The issue is what (concept of a) nation they are patriotic towards.
For example, these Schweinehunde are cheering for an 1800s version of the US, where coloured people were property and annexing their neighbours was why they claimed to love the military.
A state governor just authorized vehicle ramming attacks against probably his own citizens. Disgusting and disgraceful.
He's authorizing terrorism against free speech as a loophole for getting around the first amendment
He didn't "authorize" anything. That's not how laws or public policies are created. He's just bloviating like all MAGA Nazis. If it actually happened, the person would be prosecuted based on the law, and their defense of "The governor said it was okay!" would not be accepted by the judge.
This belongs in something like c/evilpeople more than nottheonion
Eh I’d be fine with a crosspost
It’s beyond satire that any politician thinks this is OK to say in any fucking context and little Rhonda should be in jail for it, prosecuted as an accomplice when someone actually goes out and does it
Free speech is where people legally violently kill or injure you for speaking
I think you are forgetting the right of killing and injuring.
Land of freedom!
/s (if not obvious)
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Weird. The more I look at DeSantis the more he looks like a protestor. Just me?
"Law and order"
Realistically it's a "Stand Your Ground" situation for the protestor if they are threatened with deadly force from a car attack, so the protestors can legally shoot drivers who are attempting to run them over. So if Rhonda wants to escalate that's what they are asking for, GTA street wars basically.
Is Rhonda the new q-tip Florida Karen?
Bear this in mind next time something like a unite the right or Jan 6 happens.
The jan 6 riotors are part of ICE right now
What if we hit him with a car?
He becomes Greg Abbott.
Greg Abbot was hit by a tree struck by a lightning bolt from god. If you run over DeSantis you're just doing the lord's work.
Amen.
That means I have the right to put 9 rounds into the drivers seat before that happens.
or i was thinking, ram the car that is ramming protestors.
I'm not sure a florida jury will buy it but it is abiding the spirit of the law in florida to merc nearby drivers because you fear for your life.
I wound say 49 Merc then just to be sure.
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Not in the language that these fascists are talking.
And people wonder why South Park stopped making episodes. The world of South Park is normal compared to this.
I’m firing my gun at the driver in defense if they’re trying to hit me with their car
Hmm, I guess if some magat protesters are around they would be fair game to get run over as well.
Same with right to hit Nazis and police with cars.
only if they attack you.
You really believe if the police attack you you can run them over with your car?
Morally, it depends.
At this point Republicans are just being idiots. They say whatever 1940s idiot shit pops into their head.
Saying this in the 40s in america would get you hanged with an engine as counterweight.
“Have Right to Hit [liberal, democratic, equality-seeking, anti-fascist] Protesters With Cars [but not pro-fascist, talibangelical, NAZI demonstrators]”
The subtext is important.
cuz pedestrian in FL means homeless or drug addicts, so they are ok to run over
This guy has predatory eyes.
I read that as Protestants and wondered how long Desantis had been a Fenian
imagine hitting someone in the car, then the police arrive but dismiss you when they find out the person you hit is a Protestant
He doesn't "say" that. This law was passed a while ago
De Santis may be a sack of shit but that doesn't justify the misleading headline in this case. He was giving a specific example of escaping "when a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle, and threatens you." DeSantis says so many outrageous things for real and pushes outrageous policies for real, there's no need to misquote him.
And if you're surrounded by cops?
You mean protesters in uniform?
Whenever i see a circle with stuff radiating in the circle behind him, abd the image is low res, my brain just fills it in with a sonnenrad.
Is that the original GTA (fuck I am getting old)
This would be a very easy self defense case for armed protestors.
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To clarify, are you saying you believe that long-lasting condensation trails left in the sky by high-flying aircraft are actually "chemtrails" consisting of chemical or biological agents, sprayed for nefarious purposes undisclosed to the general public?
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This is unhinged idiocy. Seek mental help.
Just an FYI if you don’t smoke weed. Buy an AR15 and just be prepared. But if you do smoke weed. Buy it anyways but don’t admit you smoke weed. Ever.
what the fuck does this mean?
Since marijuana, or more specifically cannabis-derived THC, is still illegal federally and you mark yes when filling out the federal firearms paperwork you will not be allowed to buy a firearm.
However, if you select No, but do use cannabis-derived THC, and admit to or it or law enforcement finds out then you've committed a felony. It's the same law they applied to Hunter Biden's case.
Why they felt the need to comment on that specifically in this thread? No idea either.
Note: I'm not aware of any cases yet that are for hemp-derived THC products that meet the legality under the 2018 Farm Bill. Thats kind of a gray area currently, so you're taking your chances.
Excellent response, thanks!
Thanks! It helps that I just had to complete that paperwork for the first time in 15ish years; I don't think those portions were worded the same then.
Happy cake day btw!
I think he's saying that you can buy a semiautomatic rifle if you don't use the Marijuana, but if you do use the Marijuana, don't tell anyone. Maybe they used the Marijuana before posting.
I’m dyslexic as F. So my writing is always wonky.
I'm all for hating desantis, but context is important:
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Dude, if a mob of people are attacking my car, I'm not just going to sit there twiddling my thumbs. You feel free to, though.
During protests like five years ago, I saw a group of peeps rip someone out of their semi and beat the shit out of them.
I’m on the side of the protestors because what’s happening to the US is obviously fucked, but if I’m ever surrounded by people and have no egress, I’m going to egress by any means necessary, I fully agree with you.
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You don't have to be a cunt to make a point, especially if it's a stupid point.
Honest question, what would you do if you were surrounded by people threatening you?
This is the type of Pearl-clutching/fear mongering that lives in a head filled with propaganda. There are already laws in place which cover this type of fake scenario, the article itself dismisses the claims you're trying to make. Find me a valid use-case for this law, there are hundreds of instances where the exact opposite happens and vehicles are used as a weapon to assault protesters but all you got are fictional "what ifs"? Don't drive into a protest..... Use common sense when you see a group of people gathered on the street like any sane person would.
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love how you crumple from any push-back on your false narrative.
Why are liberals not going ot these protests armed?
Because they are going to peacefully protest
The drag queen story hour stuff in texas where the antifascists showed up armed did fine. It probably was more peaceful than most.
Edit: it is important to note texas is an open carry state.
And how is that working out? So far the right has shown that they are willing to keep escalating.
You can bring a gun to a protest and not shoot anyone. I've seen it happen. The rightwingers always back down when liberals show up with guns.
Because they’re stupid
"Ron DeSantis Says Floridians Have Right to Hit Protesters With Cars" but only if they blow over the legal limit!
idiocracy is here. told ya'll it'll come. i am so looking forward for a wrestler to be president after kaiser trump. it will be magical.
(Edit: Don't act like you wouldn't do the same.)
As much as I hate to say it—after reading the article—I'm siding with DeSatan on this one.
If I ever end up getting caught in the middle of a protest, and people are surrounding my car in an attempt to damage it or injure me—I don't care if I agree with the protestors or not—I will do whatever is necessary to protect myself and my only form of reliable transportation.
It's politician speak for 'hey it's okay to run over people who are anti-ice/trump'.
Technically, yeah there's a case for self defense if your life is in danger. No one's really denying that. If you flip the script though, and let's say it was a group of proud boys protesting something, I'd bet you real world money he'd suddenly be against running over protesters. That is the issue here.
I realize that his reasons are hateful but that's not the part I agree with.
You already had the right to do what he’s saying, in a specific situation, all he is doing is planting the seed for people to drive I to protests as protected aggravators. This is not establishing rights, this is a call to action, don’t be fooled.
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Rioting against fascism is different to rioting against democracy
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People like you give actual anarchists a bad name. Anarchy is more than simple minded individualism.
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Go read a fucking book and learn before your spout bullshit. Your simplistic take on a complex political ideology is exactly why no one takes legitimate anarchists seriously.
While on the democratic side when we have a democratic president, those said would say "WE HATED RIOTS BUT LOVE J6" and "WE HATE ICE BUT LOVE THE CDC"
and the protesters repeatedly yelled, "WE AREN'T GOING TO HURT YOU! WE'RE JUST SMASHING UP YOUR CAR!!"