On numerous occasions in post-Soviet Russia, conservative politicians and the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) have called for anti-abortion measures and the return of traditional gender roles. However, medical experts have defended accessible abortions, and no health minister has previously argued that women should prioritize childbirth over education in order to raise the birthrate.
When they say traditional gender roles, they mean to enslave women. Fuck them conservatives.
Speaking of slavery, conscription of men to fight wars is another one of their “traditional gender roles”. If fact it seems to be the reason why they are restricting abortions.
Enslave women as birth machines and men as fodder for the meat grinder. Everyone loses.
Fuck putler and fuck his dumb fucking war.
Yes, that’s the world conservatives want to build.
Traditional gender roles guarantee a better natality. ( see amish, ultra ortodox jews, muslims ) , so progressive policies have no future in the long run due to demography issues. It is not an ideological analysis, but a tecnical one.
The idea that having lots of kids is a good thing is definitely ideological. You might not have noticed but we have a few billion too many people on this planet, not too few.
I’m not arguing if it is a good idea or not. I’m pointing the fact that high natality groups became majority in the long run and the majority dictate the policies.
That was certainly the case some of the time but if that was still true today you would expect groups like the Amish and Catholics to dominate populations while in reality they are very much in decline in terms of importance.
Amish is a group too far from society and catholics now have a very low tfr. On the other hand ultraortodox in israel and muslim in europe have a growing influence on society.
That’s because they are loud and obnoxious.
Yes, the only one that have power and influence in the world are usa progressives from silicon valley… A quite very local point of view from a nation that define herself like a world power
Hey, how about we completely reverse the gender role? Maybe we can keep men for child rearing. Pretty sure that works too.
You’re discussing this with an Italian fascist, so that’s never going to happen in their narrow little mind.
Seriously, I never understand how they care so much about births, but as soon as a child is born they stop caring about him/her. Then, they can go to hell.
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Technical speaking, it is impossible. It is interesting that pointing an objective fact, i receive a lot of downvotes…
North Korea too, has better tfr than south korea…
The war needs meat.
Even Putin must realize the war is not going to last another 15+ years, right?
…right?
I think the situation right now is more of “if Russia is to exist in 15 years, we’ll need more children now”.
He’s probably adamant to sacrificing every last Russian man before he stops.
As only Putin, or to be more exact, only the russian leadership is able to stop this war, they might plan for it lasting 15+ years.
Furthermore, Ukraine is, according to the new Chief of Staff of ghe Russian army, only the stepping stone for the Baltics and Poland, so they have to plan for the next war and the war after that.
I mean tbf they need more people period.
Blood for the blood god
Dem Führer ein Kind schenken…
„The Führer owns you too!“
unloved Children are the worst thing you can do to a society
Part of me believes it’s not necessarily just a conservative, or religious thing. I think part of it may be more capitalistic. More people = more taxes/money generated.
No, it’s really just conservative old men pushing their “values” onto everyone. They’re not actually values because it’s not like they honestly believe in them or have any good reasoning to oppose the pro-choice arguments, but rather just outdated views they grew up with and refuse to further grow out of.
The current Russian govenermnt, led by Putin, is not about planning or long-term goals of any kind - all of them, on every level, both federal and regional, only care about their own wellbeing, not the country, its budgets, or anything that a government is supposed to care about.
Trust me, I’ve been living here for decades.
No, it’s really just conservative old men pushing their “values” onto everyone. They’re not actually values because it’s not like they honestly believe in them or have any good reasoning to oppose the pro-choice arguments, but rather just outdated views they grew up with and refuse to further grow out of.
I think that’s actually a great obersvation and put very precise. Indeed, it seems like most of what could be considered as “old values” is just the result of missing out on new information hence the strong connection between conservatism and misinformation. Even the problems around climate change, which seems like a mere evidence based phenomenon, leads back to the moment, where humanity realised that it exists, but failed to immediatly implement sustainibility as a new value.
IDK about Russia specifically, just from American. Our politicians always seem to have hidden agendas being paid for by corrupt lobbying.
We’re past that phase because the government today is largely comprises of people installed by Putin, with many de-facto owning a lot of big and economically important companies, so we technically don’t see a lot of lobbying, because it’s not like anyone forces Putin or his clique to make certain decisions one way or another - everyone got there because of Putin, and they’re either loyal to the end, mortally afraid to not be loyal, or already dead.
I think it’s fair to say that we used to have lobbying and such when the oligarchy was much more rampant and had maybe more influence on the government, but Putin made sure to deal with that. Not in the best way, of course, because given the choice between having multiple people calling the shots amd just one, I’d always pick the former, for there’s at least some chance that they may discuss things and arrive at a compromise more sensible than anything that a single ego maniac surrounded by yes-men (non-yes-men to be terminated) could ever conceive. That being said, I’d much rather get rid of both and live in proper democracy, even with all of its supposed flaws - may not be perfect, but much closer to perfect that any of the crap.
Not if you conscript them to force that dissatisfaction to be lashed out at your political enemy.
Planning at least 19 more years of war, I see
19?! Just chuck them onto the frontlines when they’re 15. Less feeding time more fighting time.
Sure, they’ll be old enough to feed the cannons at 15
The next step will be forced breeding programs since most of the men will be fertilizer in Ukraine.
We’ll see a renaissance of the iconic-in-a-sad-way russian mail order bride adverts from the 90’s
A while back, I looked at graphs for a number of countries showing TFR and compared against dates of legalization of abortion. Didn’t see much (though could be that ilicit abortions or people going to another place to get an abortion limit this).
I did see visible drops for at least some countries where oral contraception became available in that country.
Didn’t do a real statistical analysis, though.
