Circumcision is not gender-affirming care? “Oh, that’s different!”
It is different. It’s genital mutilation. Has fuck all to do with gender affirmation
So genital mutilation surgery is okay, but gender affirming surgery is not?
They weren’t defending circumcision by calling it mutilation.
They were clearly agreeing with the poster above and pointing out the absurdity.
Circumcision (genital mutilation) on infants is widely practiced, thus logically it must be okay. This article asserts Biden says gender affirming surgery should be delayed until 18 years old (not okay on infants)
The person you were berating agrees with you. I’m not sure why you aren’t clear on that.
I was not berating Frokke, I was making a comment about Biden’s position.
Please point out where I wrote anything remotely close to that. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
I read that as not being directed at you but more as realisation that the state of things are even worse than suggested in the first comment.
“Why is this specific gender affirming care ok but not the rest?”
“That specific thing is actually mutilation”
“So to THEM (not you) mutilation is ok but not gender affirming care(any at all)!”
Please point out where I used quotes and claimed you said it. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
What the fuck are you smoking?
jfc what kind of sacrifice do I need to make to what ancient diety to get him to step down?
I think we gotta have a conversation as a society about when the hand over the reins to the kids. I’m in my 30’s and glad life expectancy peaked cause seeing the gerontocracy from this end is horrifying.
I’ll accept Cthulhu. I always assumed an ancient being as old as the universe would destroy my puny existence
If we’re going to be ruled by Old Ones, they might as well be Great.
Can I get an ‘Ia Ia’?
Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn! Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah-nagl fhtagn!
Sacrifice your country to Trump
Not that I’ve thought a lot about this specific issue, but I just want to mention that intersex babies have been receiving surgeries for decades in order to make them conform to the majority, far before they were capable of having or expressing any opinion on the matter. So I’m going to be really skeptical of people who oppose trans teens requesting surgery when they themselves have been asking for it, and they have the support of their doctors, as it just looks like the fact that they’re straying away from normativity makes a lot of people apply an unfair double standard.
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Please work on your reading comprehension.
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A donkey will keep on banging its head against the wall no matter how may warnings you give it, huh?
My whole argument is: “We have been doing surgeries on kids without their consent just because society wanted them to conform. If you’re against trans teens receiving surgery after they ask for it after ignoring non consensual surgeries on intersex babies, you probably don’t actually care about the well-being of children, but rather, have a bias against what you don’t consider to be normal”. Instead, you failed to understand what kind of argument I was even making and assumed you had a fight to pick. Again: work on your reading comprehension.
Glad you posted this, it reminded me to update my Lemmy content filter! Up to now, I’ve just filtered out any headline including the word “slam, slammed, or slams.” Because those headlines are garbage. Now I’ve remembered I need to add the word “blast, blasted, and blasts,” because those are garbage too. Thanks!!
Cool. Wait until you realize some of those garbage headlines represent great articles though. Obviously not all of them, but it seems very weird to filter out so many words
Nah op is in the right here, it’s a really reliable indicator of ragebait, tabloid and/or amateur journalism
Nahh, an article can present a point of view we deem to be “correct” while still engaging in clickbait and sensationalism. I’m not interested in clickbait or sensationalism, so I find that my filtering methods do a pretty good job of getting rid of most of the trash.
woe woe woe. lemmy has a content filter. I liked kbin and was going mbin but I would really like a filter for certain key words.
Might just be the app I use, idk.
woe means ‘a condition of deep suffering from misfortune, affliction, or grief’, you want woah
no I meant that. like my kingdom for a content filter. and of course that is bullshit I just did not even think about the spelling of the exclamation.
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Media Bias Fact Check (MBFC) rates them “mostly factual” with left bias.
You’re both right. Mostly factual, with medium credibility.
The current parameters for the bot to send this message are that the source is considered to have medium or low credibility or that the source’s reporting is considered low or very low. The message itself doesn’t mean that the post will face any moderation action, it’s just a notification to the community. I’m still working on this functionality, so any feedback is welcome (: (I am aware of the typos, fixing them right now)
I’m confused now. The commenter says they have high factuality but the bot says they have medium credibility.
What does that mean? Isn’t credibility very tightly linked to factuality?
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I think it’s a pretty clever idea for a bot here, if that’s any encouragement. :)
They love to make things they consider to have left bias lower simply because of that
Here’s some feedback
- Make it more clear this is a bot in beta mode
- Better formatting.
- A small blurb of what the bot does. No acronyms
- Instead of putting a warning, have it fire on all sources. Use some sort of color coding to differentiate quality in the better formatted message.
Yea, those are all points that I should have included in the bot, my apologies. I will propably make a public post for people to discuss and help me to refine the bot. Thank you for the feedback.
what in the world is an MFBR or BSFR
Shitty media credibility site
Just curious, what makes it shitty?
Has lots of reasoning but just boilds down to how the owner of the site feels.
They love to go this site has excellent factuality but I think they are slightly to biases to one side so they get poor ranking.
Just turns into a site that just shows 1 persons bias
Biden was never much of a fighter. He’s done almost nothing to help while dozens of states pass anti trans legislature. But hey he made it so trans people can join the military again, if they can survive their state that is.
What do you propose he does?
Not give speeches that cave to conservative pressure? Especially since there’s no way for him to pull their votes away from Trump anyway.
You mean like hoods executive order that was blocked by courts? I’m not saying he’s the biggest trans ally but saying he’s done almost nothing is unfair imo
How many states did he let pass harmful legislation before doing that? Or was the plan always to wait until the election cycle for that order? An election cycle EO that can’t pass the courts is indeed almost nothing.
“let pass”… . is there some major confusion about how presidential vetoes work here, or what do you even mean?
let pass harmful legislation before doing that
Of course if you remove words you change the context but that’s entirely grammatically correct and a common use of that phrase. If you wanna dwell on what those words mean in other context go ahead but that’s not saving any trans kids.
If were to assume that EO is Joe fighting back, then he did indeed let those laws pass without fighting back until it was an election season. Context is important and I usually don’t have to explain every word like its a middle school English class unless I’m responding to republicans reading my statements in bad faith.
Let’s get pedantic and semantic then shall we. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/let-pass
The context was always how much was he wiling to allow before he responded and the answer is a lot.
I think in the context of legislation, interpreting “let pass” to mean “allow to be signed into law” is understandable. But I see you just meant it chronologically.
There’s a lot to criticize about the dems and Bidens administration, that’s for certain. One thing we can say is that even though it hasn’t been the best ally to LGBTQ+ community as it could be, the alternative is an enemy and great threat to all marginalized people. Trump will most definitely work to ban any sort of gender affirming care.
The DNC deserves criticism for sure, and I completely agree with calling out it’s bullshit. They need to do better and/or we need better options, for sure. They should be our most conservative party in an ideal world.
Criticize, loudly even, just please don’t throw away your vote. I’m afraid people’s apathy is going to get an actual enemy elected.
I’ll be at the polls. As important as the presidential is this year the locals always have a large impact on a lot of non insignificant things, and sometimes massively significant things, as well as the ballot initiatives. In almost any race I can respect the choice of abstention, but if you don’t show up for at least the ballot initiatives, the closest thing the US has to direct democracy, then I just think you’re not even trying to make democracy work. I know I can’t say the gym isn’t working if I’m not even trying to use the equipment.
On one hand arguing that a 15 yo isn’t old enough to realise the consequences of spreading AI nudes of a real girl.
On the other hand arguing that 15 yo’s are totes old and responsible enough to undergo life changing surgery/procedures.
Kids are never offered “life changing surgeries”. This doesn’t happen. Evidence very much suggests being trans is a genuine neurological condition that we are born with.
Brains are not necessarily binary.
We understand some of the causes.
“Risk” of being born trans seems to be partly genetic.
The American Academy of Pediatrics is on our side.
Adults don’t regret surgery. And another study on the same.
Additionally, getting a diagnosis is a long process (and it’s not guaranteed that you’ll get one), and then actually getting treatment takes even more time (also not guaranteed).
EDIT: I can’t read what the transphobe is saying anymore as they have rightly been banned from the server I’m on. Detransitioning is uncommon, but of course perfectly valid. Typically people detransition because of transphobia or for economic reasons. Have some additional links:
Rates of detransition are low, and they are only very rarely permanent and caused by true regret.
GenderGP links multiple studies saying essentially the same thing.
This one mentions detransition rates of 13%, but again mostly to escape stigma.
Hence the /procedures. 😉
Weird how you left out the links of studies, reports of people that actually do regret it. I mean should we just ignore those people?
If you want kids to be able to make these decisions, you will have to inform them. Properly. Not just paint them a nice picture. That’s what you’re currently doing. Not informing them and painting nice pink pictures.
It is not sunshine and rainbows for everyone. There are trans people who regret it. Ignoring that fact is being dishonest with yourself and the transcommunity.
The rate of regret for transition is massively lower than almost any other medical intervention. Why do you care so much about this one specific type of intervention, above all others? Why not invest your activism into medical interventions with much higher rates of regret?
And why do you choose to spend time on your pedophilic tendencies/anti-trans activism?
They would have known this if they bothered to open the surgery regret rate studies I linked them (but we both know studies won’t change their mind). For the lazy it’s less than 1% for both transmascs and transfems.
So requesting you be honest and fully inform kids is pedophiliac tendencies? You do get how this makes you look? Right?
Please point out where I mentioned anything anti-trans. Or is this again by requesting honesty and transparency? Again, you do realise how this makes you look? Right?
Judging from the responses and downvotes, I can see this community still doesn’t want informed consent…
So requesting you be honest and fully inform kids is pedophiliac tendencies? You do get how this makes you look? Right?
No, I’m talking about your kiddy diddling/anti-trans rhetoric. Why do you diddle kids/spread anti-trans rhetoric?
Please point out where I wrote anything like that. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
Well, you’re posting anti-trans rhetoric (talking about regret rates without mentioning that they are much lower than almost any others, talking as if people weren’t well-informed about the risks during the multi-year process it takes to transition etc). I can quote your whole post back to you if it helps you? But you can just scroll up and read your own comment, it’s a neat function of messaging boards.
Awfully quick to jump to conclusions. Awfully quick to remove people from society.
Sad that you think those actions are just. May you be treated how you treat others. 😉
On the other hand arguing that it’s between the parents, their child, and their doctor. Not lawmakers and not you.
It’s funny how you just downvote and provide zero arguments. Just jumping to call me anti-trans and a pedo.
Good thing I’m not as phobic as you people and will still support the trans community, just not the individuals being dicks.
I did not downvote you, I did give an argument and I did not call you either anti-trans or a pedophile.
Why are you lying? Everyone can even see that all but the downvote lie are lies.
No. You did not. Parents aren’t required. Neither is the doctor initially. Psycologist or psychiatrist would be better. They have a better understanding than your run of the mill doctor.
Perhaps I should’ve been more clear that my response was not aimed only at you, but the others here as well.
What are you talking about? Teens undergo life changing surgery all the time, whether it is for a sports injury, to correct scoliosis, oral surgery, etc.
True. And how do those differ from trans care?
They have higher regret rates than trans care?
No sweetie, those can be diagnosed through imaging and completed without the patient saying one word.
Trans care is a dialog.
Nice try, better luck next time?
You’re stretching even further now. Most medical care is based on a patient telling a doctor what is bothering them. There’s allergies, soft tissue injuries, psychological needs, sleep disorders, digestive problems, eating disorders,learning disabilities, etc. etc. etc.
Teens shouldn’t be allowed treatment for any of those? Or will you keep drawing more and more granular distinctions to fit your conclusion?
Let’s just take an example that fits your definition: bariatric surgery is 1) surgical 2) not determined by imaging 3) undergone only in consultation with the patient 4) undergone only alongside psychological and lifestyle support 5) related to future health outcomes 6) related to the patient’s body image 7) sometimes appropriate in teens/adolescents 8) requires lifelong lifestyle changes 9) not related to an accute injury or illness 10) it is not an urgent lifesaving procedure
It is in every way exactly like gender affirming care except not being related to gender.
So surely you would argue that bariatric surgery should be banned for teens, based on your position. Their brains are still developing so they cannot possibly make such a decision that will impact the rest of their lives. If they still feel like they need it when they are adults, then they can do it then.
Right?
Funny how you assume I want to ban it. Seems like a common trend. In which you are identical to the frequenters of r/the_donald. If I don’t flatout agree with you, I must heavily oppose you.
Didn’t you get the “trans care is a dialog” part? I mean I would love to see your reasoning in how that can be viewed as wanting to ban it. I always love a good show of mental gymnastics.
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I gotta say, bariatric surgery sounds pretty bad after googleing it. Its no where near like trans surgery. Though, I personally think both should be banned for minors. I am of the mind that such life altering changes should only be made once someone is of a certian age to be fully responsible.
I do not have faith in teenagers or even young adults to know how to best handle their life when they are so young. Im in my thirties and i barely believe i make the best decision for my own life.
My concern are for the ones who will ultimately regret having made the decision to transition. There just should be a limit to any body modification for minors.
Here is where we differ: I believe that the very smart people who go to school to study these exact issues for many years, practice for decades, review one another’s work, and spend a lifetime studying the outcomes of the surgeries are in the best place to decide what should and shouldn’t be allowed.
If an individual, their family, and an entire team of doctors determine that something is safe and advisable, I trust that decision much more than my uneducated feelings.
Ah, yes. Because doing surgeries “without the patient saying one word” to consent to them is great for regret rates. XD
I guess you missed the important part. And focussed only on the irrelevant part. Didn’t expect anything else tbh.
This is EXACTLY how it goes! A teen walks into a Doctor’s office and says “I’M TRANS!” and the Doctor gets their Scissor and cuts off their Penis without ANY TESTING or THERAPY or TRANSITIONAL PERIODS whatsoever!
https://youtu.be/kkfX1mpsMKk?si=9GgAN_xD7iVlgFkz
Please remember we knew all of this about Donald Drumph in 2016, and we allowed The Electoral College to vote him in. This was before he was elected and John Oliver was pleading for us to vote this guy out.
Biden isn’t who anyone wants, but if you want to stop having to decide between a shit sandwich and a steaming pile of shit, you have to be constantly vigilant.
Engage on a local level so that RCV or anything other than FPTP voting is enacted. Do the same at your state level. Literally 80+% of the voters would support RCV if it is presented with no political bias, some will recommend some addendums, but will still be fine with the overall idea.
The federal level will follow because they have to or we start exercising our second amendment rights.
Make the government scared of the people, to the point that we can disband the slaver gangs called police.
#DonaldDrumph, #BabyHands, #LetsPissOffTheEstablishmentToSeeWhatTheyDo
