I guess to be fair I was never really a stickler for any particular method; I’m just a lot more open to a lot of them.
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Here’s the thing. Trump is just a poster boy. The real problems will continue long after he’s dead. There will be further assholes. Trump is a puppet. The string puller will last on.
We need to address the core root, not the symptoms.
I don’t disagree, but Trump is definitely a unifying figure for MAGA. Hopefully when he’s gone there will be in-fighting among different MAGA factions trying to enact their own agendas and will cause fragmentation and irrelevance for many of them.
I can see that. Vance will be one. DeSantos will be another. Musk might even get in on it.
If I were Hillary Clinton, I’d just troll them, and run as a republican.
Remember that Hillary and Bill told Trump to run, believing he would be easy to defeat. They donated to his campaign in 2016
I agree. I think Trump’s real purpose is to just take the heat for a lot of unpopular policies and he’s just too dumb and narcissistic to realize it.
It will be interesting to see how MAGA changes after he’s gone.
He is like a pustule. The disease is underneath and around the area but squeezing it empty will be a huge relief and afterward the healing will accelerate
It’s become very apparent that the puppet poster-boy is a very critical piece to the puzzle, and for some fucking reason, he’s an effective one.
The rot will definitely still be there, but the power vacuum Trump will leave behind is going to massive. Not only that, but a lot of Republicans are just spineless opportunists and not hardcore ideologues, and they may see it as an opportunity to push back against the nutjobs who have taken over the party.
If that’s true, that’s okay. You just get rid of puppets until they run out.
Both. Let’s address both. Like a proper system of healthcare would.
Be the change You want to see in the world.
I’m going to be one of those parents. I’m going to share what my 7 year old said at breakfast earlier this week as he looked over my shoulder at the pictures in the newspaper and asked me what the articles were about.
I forget how it came up, but I mentioned that Trump is very old and might die of old age in less than 4 years. He said:
I don’t want him to die but I don’t want him to be their ruler anymore.
I told him he was right and praised him for being able to hold those two ideas in his head at the same time.
…Personally I’d prefer a single event that resulted in the horrific death of several specific top USA officials due to their own malice/avarice/corruption, but I don’t want him to be too cynical.
I think it’d be best to be horrific, to shock society into demanding better leadership. I don’t think we’ll be so lucky.
I haven’t cared how for about 4 years and 110 days.
Ah, but did you make a meme about it?
The problems we lament are not the result of one man. He has enablers. He has funders. He has defenders. He has judges and congresspeople.
The idea that our problems will disappear when ONE guy kicks the bucket would be laughable if our situation weren’t so depressing.
The right person going has historically been key to defeating fascism.
Personality cults need the personality.
Without the personality the cult that lifts them up still exists and the ideas persist.
The word martyr exists for a reason. And sometimes a flawed martyr is even better. Because with the right methods, you can always rewrite whatever you like and ignore what you don’t. as we have so very recently learned from modern history, that fact is so much more terrifyingly effective than you could ever dream of.
That may be true, but we all gotta start somewhere.
I never cared how.
Go do it then
This is so much of the internet right now. Everyone wants someone else to do the dirty work. Everyone one agrees that the dirty work needs to be done, but no one is willing to do it.
I don’t have the means to make it happen. I’m the rare American that doesn’t own any weapons. And I’m positive they wouldn’t let me close enough with my baseball bat.
It’s America. You should be able to buy a rifle / long gun at your nearest Wal-Mart same day. If you want a pistol, you might have to wait for you background check, but that usually only takes a few days. I also hear single-use short-range firearms can be 3d printed.
I obviously prefer to keep my life without firearms.
I didn’t even like carrying a sidearm when I was an Army Medic.
Well, some tasks require particular tools. I suppose you could also get a javelin or a bow and arrows. Possibly at Wal-Mart, but more likely specific sports supply or hunting supply stores.
I’ve said for at least the past 10 years that I need to train as a bow hunter.
I’m certain the fall of civilization will happen sooner rather than later. I was thinking more of climate disaster… yet, American Civil War has moved into #1.
I’m still betting on climate collapse to be the end of global civilization, tho I don’t expect that before 2050.
I don’t buy an American civil war, but I can see the federal government effectively collapsing soon, but most states hanging together.
Welcome to the internet
I have been here for a while, that’s why I know you have to state the obvious every now and again.
IME, that’s life in general. Plenty of people complain more than they work on making things better. That’s definitely me these last few weeks.
Even when I was being productive, I’m pretty sure I wasn’t doing the “dirty work”.
A comm named “Armed Democrats”, modded by a dude named GuyFawkes.
Tell me you’ve never felt a bolt carrier group slide into place without telling me.
LMAO, right? I just got done cleaning mine a few mins ago.
I’m going to be “that guy”. It’s over. We’re toast. Stick a fork in democracy; it’s done. All we can do now is survive day to day, and hopefully not end up in El Salvador. Welcome to 1984.
Downvote all you want, but take a long look in the mirror and come back and tell me how I’m wrong.
Elections certainly won’t save you, but mass civic resistance might. If you’re afraid of fascism, organize and go on strike.
There’s no peaceful way for the USA to get out of this. If Trump AND Vance would ignore a 9-0 Supreme Court ruling, I don’t see why they’d listen to a formal impeachment and removal, or a loss in a re-election bid? And that’s assuming they don’t use federal agents or coercion or sabotage election systems to cheat a win there.
We will need a physical on-the-streets, in-the-capital Revolution to overthrow Trump and Vance. Perhaps that will only happen once Trump is legally removed and refuses to abide by that. You can call me a “fed” for saying this. I don’t know why this idea is so shunned, especially in a country that celebrates the group of anarchist terrorist revolutionaries who denounced their government for far less than what is happening here.
Democrats and establishment “Independents” act like Democracy is a self-enforcing system. I’m reminded of what BLM protesters said years ago: “Who do you call when the police are killing you?” || Who do you call when the man who wields the military and police, breaks the law?
All governments rule with the permission of the Many. Perhaps those people are reluctant, perhaps they sit idle out of fear. It doesn’t change the fact that WE empower the economy – WE keep their lights on, their food stocked, and their positions funded. And if an unruly mob of white nationalist losers could storm the Capitol in Jan 6th, WE could take over this government with a fraction of the effort the Patriots needed to fight off the British Army. Just because we voted this man into power does NOT mean we need to endure 4 years of tyranny.
Do you have guns? A community watch? Regular meetings? These are all possible even without the social media tools the tech bros control. It’s okay if you’re not up for that, some are, some aren’t, but it’s the only choice left it seems.
Trump will have a bad day once you dumbasses read your constitution and realize some amendments do not only apply to schools.
Not sure if you’ve been paying much attention to the US situation, but the constitution is pretty much useless these days. The branch of our government that is supposed to uphold it (judicial) has been long-bought-and-paid-for by dark money (i.e. bribes and kickbacks) from special interests and billionaires like the Koch brothers, Rupert Murdoch, Elon Musk, etc.
Long story short: we’re past being saved by the equivalent of toilet paper.
Right to bear arms and fight against tyranny.
I can’t wait to watch MAGA eat itself when Bonespurs finally has his massive Big Mac Attack. That gang of self-centered opportunists will claw each other to pieces trying to get to the top of the power vacuum.
Iamverybadass
I still think it’s better for him to just keel over from his terrible eating habits, but OP’s sentiment is perfectly understandable.
Then organize.
This thread is an example of why I’m happy for hexbear
Hexbear?
Your lemmy instance probably defederates from them, so you don’t see their comments. They are a bunch of communists that many others don’t care for and pre-emptively disconnect from.
Personally, I appreciate their perspective and generally am glad to see the discourse.
Maybe, I am extremely new to Lemmy so I didn’t know if that was a place, thing, or person.
So are/is hexbear a communist fourm, or a communist group?
As far as I know, hexbear.net is a similar Lemmy instance same as midwest.social (yours) or lemmy.sdf.org (mine). Hexbear has a general focus of communism – though that feels very reductive and I don’t mean leave it at that, I just don’t have the skill or care to do any better.
Due to various groups (instances) politics, they are often disconnected-from (defederated).
I don’t know if I did a good or bad job explaining this cuz I’m a little drunk, but I hope it’s been at least a little bit helpful
Seems like you did a pretty good job, that makes sense. Thank you!
