A woman experiencing bleeding was not admitted by doctors in Idaho until her fourth ER visit in one week, due to fear and confusion over the state's abortion ban.

Summary

An Idaho doctor testified that confusion over the state’s strict abortion bans left a miscarrying patient “passed around like a hot potato” as doctors avoided treating her out of fear of legal consequences.

The 14-week pregnant woman, suffering heavy bleeding and anemia, was denied care during three ER visits before being admitted against hospital rules, miscarrying, and requiring a blood transfusion.

The testimony is part of a lawsuit challenging Idaho’s abortion laws, which ban most abortions with few exceptions, leaving patients in dangerous situations without timely care.

    • thefartographer@lemm.ee
      63·
      22 days ago

      Genuinely, they should be called Matricide Laws. Tank it the same way Republicans keep trying to tank “Obamacare”

      • DeceptichumEnglish
        32·
        22 days ago

        Matricide is too fancy a word.

        Give it something simpler and more outrageous, like “Killing Moms Law” and talk about the Trump death panels who chose this.

      • PunnyName@lemmy.world
        15·
        22 days ago

        They’re the ones who came up with the name Obamacare, so that it would tank on name alone.

        • thefartographer@lemm.ee
          21·
          22 days ago

          Yes, exactly. Which is why people should start going to town hall meetings, Senate hearings, etc. and asking various questions about “Matricide Laws.” When they get corrected that these are abortion bans, explain that the law is killing hopeful mothers and these lawmakers are okay with it—if matricide wasn’t the point, it certainly appears to be a welcome side-effect.

      • jonne@infosec.pub
        38·
        22 days ago

        Every private insurer has a death panel that is only accountable to share holders. Progressives need to start framing stuff in those terms instead of letting the Republicans bully them into accepting their framing.

        • nomous@lemmy.world
          18·
          22 days ago

          The republican party is constantly able to dominate the conversation. Every election cycle they decide whether immigration/economics/war/whatever is what will be discussed and the democrats try to play defense instead of just calling them out.

          “Death panels already exist do you want them to be purely for-profit?” it’s not even that hard they’re just incompetent.

          • jonne@infosec.pub
            5·
            22 days ago

            Part of it is that they want to placate their “moderate” wing too (read: the donors). If your plan is Medicare for All, you can say that and it’s easy to explain to people. If your plan is the Affordable Care Act, you’ll still have the for profit death panels, so you’d have to say something like: ‘we’ll regulate the existing death panels slightly more and force you to sign up to them’, which doesn’t actually sound that great.

      • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
        7·
        22 days ago

        Every accusation is a confession. These won’t be the only death panels, either. Far, far worse is to come. They’re willing to kill anyone in defence of their supposed ‘superior morals’.

      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
        5·
        21 days ago

        Every accusation is a confession.

        Edit: Ah should have read down before replying, but fuck it, it bears repeating.

  • Flocklesscrow@lemm.eeEnglish
    63·
    22 days ago

    Hollywood should start making movie after movie where the protagonist loses a loved one to some fucking asinine Republican laws, and then just goes on a vengeance spree.

    Build a whole new MCU-style universe just around the backwards-ass shitstain policies coming out of these freeloader states, and a whole cast of kid-diddling fuckwads who are taken out by the wrath of righteous anger. People would watch that shit.

    • officermike@lemmy.world
      4·
      21 days ago

      I mean, they’ve already co-opted the Punisher - an anti-cop vigilante - into their iconography, despite being the party of the “thin blue line” and “the party of law and order.” Anything we could hope to create to satirize them would just arouse them without a sense of irony or self awareness.

      • P00ptart@lemmy.world
        2·
        21 days ago

        The boys would disagree. You just make it more and more obvious who the bad guys are, the longer it goes.

    • Apytele@sh.itjust.works
      21·
      22 days ago

      Oh patients get hot potatoe’d all the time it’s just usually they’re full code violent dementia patients. OB hot potatoes are just the new fad in overly legally complicated patients no one wants to be officially responsible for when they die. The republican party is the party of the freedom to die in a ditch full of maggots when your death panel insurance review board (chaired by an eye doctor who’s been out of practice for 10 years after committing fraud) denies your chemo treatment juuust long enough that you’re better off dying quickly and getting out of their hair.

  • Zaktor@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    44·
    22 days ago

    “I was working with some amazing nurses and we decided as a team that we were going to break our hospital’s rules and admit her, even though she wasn’t 20 weeks pregnant because I just couldn’t send her home again and hope for the best,” Lyons said.

    More like this please. Fuck your hospital’s rules, make something up if you need to, this is someone’s life. Bureaucracy isn’t really very good at checking itself and a lot of rules get broken “by mistake”. If the rules are bad, don’t follow them. If anyone actually gets on your case, “I’m sorry, I guess I misremembered the policy and was worried about protecting the hospital from liability”.

    Employees on the front lines have a lot more power to grind dumb rules to dust than they think.

  • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.oneEnglish
    31·
    21 days ago

    Isn’t this a more Kafka version of death panels that we were promised under Obamacare.

    There is no death panel however you have been deemed to die by the death panel. Good luck navigating the bureaucracy.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      8·
      21 days ago

      You have to actually read a book to even know what you mean when you say “Kafka.” So good luck convincing anyone with that.

    • Notyou@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      21 days ago

      Over-kafka systems have worked so well when dealing with immigration, disability, medical, and veteran affairs. Worked well as in saved money by not providing services because they made them too complicated.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
    15·
    22 days ago

    They should just exclude pregnancy, births and anything associated with it from health care.

      • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
        27·
        22 days ago

        Women should be screaming in agony and bleeding out in their beds at home, as god intended. Pain and death in childbirth is the price of Eve’s sin, and only the pure and righteous earn an easy pregnancy.

        I am not kidding, I’ve heard this from evangelical extremists (who have now been voted into power).

        • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
          10·
          22 days ago

          and the big argument that a lot of first world countries debate is the lowering birth rates … why in the hell would anyone want to have children in this environment?

        • t3h_fool@lemmy.world
          2·
          21 days ago

          I believe you, that something like this was said, but in this age where the web is at our command, “some evangelical somewhere said that” seems needlessly vague and unconvincing.

          • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
            1·
            21 days ago

            I can’t remember their names, but one is a televangelist preacher and the other is a woman who’s claiming to be a prophet. They’re both fairly well known. They were in a recent compilation video of evangelical sermons.

      • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        22 days ago

        Test tube babies probably … because giving natural birth has become so politicized and affected by religious beliefs that fewer people will actually want to have children and countries will try to figure out alternative ways of creating expendable humans.

  • Granbo's Holy Hotrod@lemmy.world
    4·
    22 days ago

    It’s going to get worse. What I have not seen is how we help. What actions can we take today, tomorrow, and next week will help those impacted by this step backward? I get being mad. I get being informed. But elections put us in a precarious place and real people need help tomorrow…now. Every one of these articles should include a call to action and I have a 9 to 5 trying to keep mine above water so just tell me. We need to solve problems.