This is one of those takes that’s so controversial I’m afraid to post it, which is exactly why I have to.
I neither endorse nor disavow this, and no, I’m not in the picture.
If there’s a way to reduce the amount of sexual violence people inflict on children than it should be at least explored. Focusing on ensuring past sex offenders don’t recommit the same crimes is not a bad thing at all.
A lot of it is because it is a cycle. Breaking that cycle will free us from this trauma
Anger management, drug counselling, alcoholics anonymous, psychotherapy, and much more exist for ‘normal’ offenders.
For SO’s it’s chemical castration.
We don’t do that foe the same reasons we don’t do the death penalty. Too many ways an innocent can be wrongly punished.
Canada absolutely does do this.
But.
Chemical castration is not permanent. It’s some drug/chemical that basically blocks a hormone or something. Supposed to reduce libido.
As far as I know it’s the only pharmaceutical that can be legally ordered to take as condition of sentencing etc.
All it does is suppress something. It doesn’t treat it.
It’s like putting mittens on someone who robbed a bank.
Except it opens up the possibility or exploration of topics such as eugenics. It also has a lot of potential side effects on the body that may or may not be known. This could open the government to lawsuits as SO’s can say they were negatively impacted by these drugs. You’re correct in that it’s not permanent. But it doesn’t mean it’s safe or the best course of action.
There isn’t really an option with no costs to them, though, is there? You have people who are attracted to children, and people who have abused children (maybe or maybe not while young themselves). Child abuse gets near-universal bad reviews, so you’re left with a trolley problem in the end where you need to find the least harmful, most fair solution. Someone is going to pay something.
You can make a deontological argument that anything medical is off the table, I guess, but deontology feels very unfair when you’re on the losing end of it - we brought in MAID to fix that, and homeless people are still often violating the law just by existing literally anywhere.
There isn’t really an option with no costs to them, though, is there?
I mean isn’t this article what this is about? That there is a way to help rehabilitate these offenders without having them commit these crimes again or even for the first time? The article begs the question in asking “Why aren’t we exploring how successful this would be if we used it on a larger scale?”. Which is a fair question to ask.
I suppose it depends how effective this actually is. I’m kinda skeptical that you can talk someone out of being a pedophile, or into being less of a pedophile. That’s not usually how sexual preferences work (mandatory note that most preferences are harmless; some people try to muddy the waters).
We haven’t even seriously tried it, though, because the politics of it are very bad. That’s definitely dumb.
That’s entirely my point.
It doesn’t treat it. Not really.
It suppress urges. Chemically.
There are other options.
Counselling, therapy, groups like AA, all the examples I gave in my first post. Those are very available to other offending types. But for an SO they don’t exist, or would be very expensive, or difficult to navigate because of the stigma.
There’s nothing to make someone not gay, or not straight,or not attracted to children. But there are means of regulating thinking, compulsions, urges, etc.
The barrier is the stigma for treatments.
Pedophiles will always exist. It’s the unfortunate truth. But if we can reduce the amount if children subjected to sexual assault or rape then we should absolutely explore it. That’s what this article is about. Removing the stigma for treatments that you accurately described as a barrier. How successful this approach is remains to be seen. But it’s a worthy and sound discussion to have. And who knows, if it kicks off maybe we can even have people treat it before they actually hurt a child. It’s a big maybe and will not happen for long time but we can try and make steps towards that goal.
There are more extreme methods such as chemical castration, sure. But that has its drawbacks as I mentioned in my comment above.
Spouse of a Canadian nurse who works in forensic psychiatry here! For pedophiles who are caught and charged in Canada chemical castration -is- one of the things that our legal system can order. It seems like you’re under the impression it isn’t already happening, when it is.
I will note that from what I’ve heard, pedophilia comes in two types of “flavours”: the people who are attracted to minors, and are generally direstressed by it and want it to stop, where chemical castration appeals to them as an option to reduce sex drive and thereby the impulses. Then there are those who aren’t necessarily sexually attracted to children, so much as the sense of power that comes from doing these things. I have no evidence, but suspect Epstein et al. to be people with these types of motivations. While the castration can help some of their impulses, there’s more to it that requires other interventions. They’re also typically not interested in reducing this drive because they don’t feel bad about it.
Anyway, gathering more info to better support the folks who don’t want to follow their urges, and stop them from harming anyone before it happens is super important. I think the power motivated are part of a larger problem within our society that isn’t going to be dismantled just through this study. But hopefully I’m wrong, and we’ll at least glean some strategies.
*edited to clarify a thought.
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Not sure how your systems work in Canada but within US we are unable to provide social services to the more deserving people.
I don’t see how this position within current socio economic conditions is viable.
Serial pedos gonna need to be disposed of.
The issue is that current regime protects them because they are in position of relative power like catholic clergy, teachers, political whores or just rich…
These people don’t want even get in trouble for their deeds.
Family members get protected by the family a lot of times too lol
So you’re on the “gas them” side, then. One issue there is that it’s against agreed to human rights principles, so we’ll either need to reconsider those, or come up with a consistent way of dismissing them (like we have in warfare). There’s also the slippery slope argument - maybe it’s pedos today, but what about normal killers, and then people who steal from charities and the vulnerable, and eventually just normal people we don’t like.
As for the politics: Lots of them are ordinary or poor. The vast majority, even. Hopefully you’re not on the QAnon thing.
I do understand that laws will get abused against normal people like death penalty was used against blacks in the US. That’s I don’t blind shill gas them but at some point I think parents should be able to kill a pedo and let jury decide
I don’t see any crime;)
Also, there is nothing qnon here… We have sufficient evidence of systematic cover of powerful pedophiles. Low level clowns get prosecuted pretty regularly but even these idiots get protected.
Tell me how this story makes you feel…
I think we can all agree on the problem solution to this shit stain.
But the bigget issue here are disgusting law enforcement who should also suffer similar fate but that’s just like an opinion.
Edit: I am taking from the downvote you are not interested in a discussion on the systematic issue we are actually facing here…
