Quokk.auGreta Thunberg refuses to watch Oct. 7 footage after flotilla stopped
geneva_conveniencewww.jpost.com/israel-news/article-857132
Israeli authorities screened footage of Hamas's October 7 atrocities to Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg and other pro-Palestinian flotilla participants upon their arrival in Ashdod on Monday, shortly after the IDF intercepted their ship, the Madleen, in international waters.
According to Defense Minister Israel Katz, the activists refused to continue watching the film after seeing the brutality of the attacks.
"These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims,” Katz said. “They continue to ignore the atrocities committed by Hamas against Jewish and Israeli women, the elderly, and children.”
The activists were given the option to sign a voluntary departure form or face arrest after 96 hours. Among those refusing to leave is French MEP Rima Hassan.
Hassan has previously drawn wide criticism for her denial that the Bibas family, excluding Yarden Bibas, were murdered, her claim that the October 7 massacre was "legitimate" and her insistence that Palestinians in Europe should be allowed to join the "resistance."
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Per Wikipedia, on October 7, approximately
- 1195 people were killed by Palestinians, plus 3400 wounded
- 1609 Palestinian militants killed.
In the time since, per Al Jazeera, 62,614 Palestinians have been killed.
Genocidial Israelis can fuck right off.
Israel has killed more babies/toddlers in the last 18 months, than all Jews killed by Palestinians since 1948.
aasatruBut the toddlers are Hamas! Israel would of course never support a terrorist organization.
Deaths per day for gunmen from Gaza: more than 1100
Deaths per day for IDF armed with tanks and fighter jets: 60.000 / 612 = 98
Only one side is maximizing the number of deaths and it’s not the one with the heavier armament.
Did they also show her uncensored footage of what Israel does in Gaza? Because that would be just as relevant. She probably wouldn't want to watch that either, because watching atrocities, whoever commits them, is not something most people would want to do. So this is just a stunt: demand that she watches a one-sided atrocity video then, when she doesn't want to watch it, claim this proves she hates Jews. Which is obviously absurd, but that has never stopped the Israeli propagandists before.
[W]atching atrocities, whoever commits them, is not something most people would want to do.
This is the part about it that upsets me most. Propaganda is bad enough, but propaganda through attempting to force people to watch atrocities?
I personally value being informed, but there is a limit to how much I can take before it becomes second-hand trauma. I can fault nobody for looking away from some of the cruel shit humans can do to each other.
Don't the news feed us too much violence, suffering and death already? Forcing people to watch even more would be heartless without the propaganda angle while propaganda without inflicting psychological trauma would be despicable; combined, they're nothing short of disgusting and despicable.
These antisemitic flotilla activists closed their eyes to the truth and once again proved they prefer the murderers over the victims.
Children? No. Murderers.
Israel's choice of words couldn't be more blatantly genocidal. They are stating that only Jews can be victims. The dead Palestinian babies are obviously Hamas terrorists...
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SanctusThey forgot they were bragging about Gaza being an open air prison before the attacks, and they forgot the history of their nation and their neighbors. Its never been a good time over there, fucken ever.
fxomtThis is psychotic behavior on the part of Israel. The message is "Don't want people to be murdered huh? How about you watch this footage of people being murdered?"
We should kidnap IDF supporters and force them to watch hours of atrocity footage beret of context and if they refuse they are obviously in the wrong i guess.
DasusIf only they could watch a work day by that IDF guy who had to bulldoze corpses.
"B-b-but they refused our whataboutism over genociding babies!"
Fuck you Israel
Peaceful protestor held at gunpoint refuses to watch violent propaganda.
As such, branded as hypocrite.
Modern politics.
Delivering baby formula to certain people seen specifically as a form of protest by all media.
Modern politics.
Is no one going to say or do anything about the fact that Israel illegally "intercepted" another ship in international waters?
Also arrested for what? They weren't even under Israeli jurisdiction when picked up.
Sweden threw her under the bus, along with the rest of the West.
All legal under the letter of international law pertaining to military engagement. That it is in international waters is irrelevant legally speaking. See the legal grounds for the sinking of Belgrano for a clearer example. As long as they can think of a halfway credible excuse that they think the vessel will cause aid to their enemy, they have the right to interdict it in international waters.
The Belgrano was a military ship, this one isn't. So even if you're right regarding military vessels, I doubt the same would hold for a civil one.
Distinction isn’t made. A civilian ship could be conducting or supporting military operations (see Q ships, zelensky’s “civilian” container trucks etc).
As with many things, it basically comes down to who has the bigger gun. Until a naval power pulls its finger out and starts escorting relief ships, Israel is at liberty to seize them.
Which halfway credible evidence do they have? They have none. The blockade is illegal so intercepting it is illegal too
Their twisted argument is that the terrorists live among the people therefore any action against the terrorists also harms the people, and any effort to aid the people aids the terrorists. So aid = terrorism.
Tou said it it's a twisted argument. Nobody believe it so international law apply here
And international law says they can sieze the boat.
No, it doesn't say that
No. It doesn't
That's not an argument compatible with international law though, which was your original claim.
Sorry I'm late but this is not entirely correct, they were arrested in what's considered High Seas in the Mediterranean, which has clear rules from the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. See 3.4 Maritime Boundaries
This is quite literally the plot to A Clockwork Orange.
At leat in A Clockwork Orange the point of the footage wasn't to try to persuade them that violence is good.
How did it end, again? I forget
There are two endings. In both, the brainwashing treatment temporarily prevents the main character from committing violence.
In the movie after he tries to commit suicide he wakes up in hospital and the effect of the brainwashing has worn off so he goes back to violence.
In the book the government undo the brainwashing in a bid to get him to support them but he later loses the urges all on his own.
He was cured, all right.
They refused to watch a propaganda video 🙄
They refused to watch videos of atrocities that aren't part of the videos, such as the murders of babies (unfounded) and mass sexual violence (unfounded). They must hate Jews. They certainly aren't protesting the genocide of Palestinians. It can't be that. /s
"Yeah, I agree, that is horrible. I am literally just trying to keep more innocent people from suffering and dying..."
"Lost its radio signal"
As if we didn't have footage of them jamming
"Blockade to avoid weapon delivery"
"Ship carrying humanitarian aid"
"These antisemitic flotilla"
"The IDF prepared in advance to intercept the ship before it could enter Israeli territorial waters; "
Enough said
Lindsey Graham advocated for worse.
Well, those Gaza children shouldn't have committed those atrocities.
Maybe next time they'll pick a better region to be born in
Do they think the floridly theatrical condescension makes them look like the good guys here?
So Israel is doing the „But they are doing it too!” thing
Are we in kindergarten or what?
Are the Jewish nazis trying to guilt trip them into helping their genocide?
Before you even say anything what's the difference between a free range cage and a cage? The comfort level of the animal. A lot easier to gun down when you say it's safe here
I think you are making a rhetorical point unrelated to animal welfare, but in point of fact, "free range" hens do not enjoy a meaningfully greater level of comfort. The only way to reduce these suffering of exploited vulnerable individuals is not to pay for their exploitation in the first place.
You and I both know it's the marketing of the comfort level of the chicken but there is no such thing in reality under industrialism. Nobody is under a rock here.
Most people live in Plato's Cave and their entire reality is constructed by marketing.
You guys don't like the flavor of suffering in your eggs?
Allegory of the cave is not based in marketing. Capitalism drives our reality more than marketing. The real mental illness is our modern day economy.
Correct, but marketing (really, propaganda) is part of how capitalism reproduces itself.
Not gonna believe this hasbara rag unless they show unedited video of the flotilla participants not watching the tapes. And likewise for everything else in the article. 💩
There's no footage from October 7th that comes close to what happens in Gaza every fucking day.
Who's posting this Israeli propaganda
I'm assuming everyone here is smart enough to recognize and filter out the propaganda.
What is left is Israelis boasting about their own war crimes.
Remember, kids, nothing Israel has done justifies October 7th, but also, October 7th justifies everything Israel is doing.
"Hostage refuses to be psycologically tortured by war criminals"
This unlawful attempt at forced brainwashing is truly scandalous and absolutely intolerable with its repugnant double standards.
No one disputes that the terrorist attack by Hamas was brutal.
Nevertheless, this by no means justifies the genocide being committed by Israel. There are also horrific images of this, of starving children, cold blooded murder of civilians and unbearable suffering - and Israel is even using every means at its disposal to prevent the world from seeing the full extent of their own atrocities.
If Israel were to adhere even remotely to international law and human rights, Thunberg would not be there.
It is absurd that this country continues to portray itself as the victim. They are the perpetrators and responsible for crimes against humanity.
These savages who represent Israel are truly the scum of the earth.
Hamas wanted hostages, not bodies.
Don't give an inch. The brutality came from the Israeli side. They fired on their own people to stop them from being taken hostage.
Lol what. > 33% active duty IDF soldiers killed. Almost no children.
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You would have said the same thing about the ANC fighting against apartheid.
Isreal knew Oct 7 was coming.
Source:
I know this sounds crazy but trust me
They did, it has been proven beyond any doubt because they openly admitted it. They also willfully ignored warnings from military officials. Also the pager operation was already in progress months before Oct 7 so they were planning all out war with the whole region for a while.
Yep, they also purposefully moved the festival closer to Gaza. The organisers is known to have Mossad connections
wouldn’t the footage be of defenders coming in to boot out the invading zionists?