It’s actually “us” in the political tech space that started using techno optimism as derogatory I think. I don’t know why you think that techno-optimism label was ever a good one and then co-opted :o

Cyberpunk was co-opted by the Californian ideology but “techno-optimism” I don’t think so…

I don’t see how being critical and optimistic about tech is mutually exclusive

It’s not… But it’s a bit like the word “feminism” that includes much more than women struggles. Techno-optimists it’s not about being positive about some technology.

Not all of them, but to me being tech-positive and understanding technologies can be sustainable is at the core of solarpunk

I agree, hence we say solarpunk and not techno-optimists :P

Longtermism doesn’t mean long term thinking and techno optimism doesn’t mean not being negative about technology my friend

I understand your point but we have to accept that longtermism and technoptimism are the terms we use for what you call extreme. Like racism is not just “talking about race” and so on :)

We have a term to call ourself and it’s solarpunks!

It’s about probability… Like an AI will have the same bias as the data it’s trained on, only talking about data and trends when talking about politics shows us the most probable stuff without taking into account the very good solutions.

Basically what I’m saying is: kurzgesagt it’s not a politics channel but a science one. They take data and read it for us. At most they are being a bit reactionary, but I wouldn’t say techno optimist :/

We want to aim to solarpunk society for sure but that doesn’t mean we have to ignore that it’s slow, hard and the actual trend is different.

BIG P.S. I must say for transparency that I still haven’t watched today’s video

Techno-optimism means thinking that a technological solution will fix our issues. As solarpunks we, for example, are critical of a lot of tech uses and a lot of incentives that do not allow the best tech to emerge just by being “better tech” like a tech optimist would think. Check out Californian ideology stuff.

About longtermism: basically it’s caring less about the suffering of today thinking about working towards better condition for the people of tomorrow. In a stupid simple way: giving 10€ to research for fusion instead of using them to feed a child for one month because people will suffer anyway and the faster we arrive at the fusion the less people will suffer.

That said, I don’t think kurzgesagt is that much tech optimist, it’s just a channel that focuses on harder sciences so it’s easier to focus on “can this technology work” more than “can this policy work”

For the longtermism part, some video ye lol

I’ve tried using simplex but it’s simply (ahah) too slow for groups

I like it privacy wise but I think it’s better for small groups (<10) and 1 on 1 chats

Big chats are kinda a scam anyway, they should be forums lol

you could make a german speaking instance

I mean… If you don’t tell us where you live it’s kinda hard lol

For easy piracy like telegram? None

“if i have a message to share, i go where people are.”

really good reminder for all the people who want to push fedi to strangers on the internet :)

work with communities and content creators!

The telegram thing is caused by telegram itself

Login with a pc and disable safety filters for your account and you’ll be fine

iirc the play store version of telegram is the same as the App Store version, but on android maybe you downloaded it directly from the telegram website (?)

Anyway, safety filter can be disabled

It’s always Freiburg isn’t it 👁️👁️

You’ll have an easier time unionizing programmers

Ye I’ve been since the start until some months ago in the Italian chapter of tech workers coalition because of this :P

I wish I had an idea to start fixing this

I do have ideas but the thing is that almost no one can fully save other people. Like the unionizing thing: we tried to unionize from outside but just doesn’t work if people inside don’t hammer everyday. We can think about cooperative models but even if we start a coop people will have to jump in your ship they can’t just keep the comfort of the status quo

It’s hard but my protip is that everyone should first acknowledge every kind of own power in their own life. Then think how to use it. For example I don’t have much but I happen to have some rural land. I’ll probably make a community space out of it but first I need to ensure myself some other basic survival power lol (basically, I want to go back to studying to then have a useful job for the society I envision)

the first rule of the server is to be constructive, you may want to keep that in mind when posting

control of ai by capital is bad, we all know that on this server; what are the next steps then? this is what solarpunks should ask themselves (first of all they -artists- prob need to unionize their workplace, for those not freelance, to ensure their jobs)

also those artists who used ai without telling you just want to get by their lives and are costrained by the system as you and as me

Any examples of it? I’m curious :o

My brother in Christ do not spread disinformation x)

I can access it without even using any vpn, just changed dns a lot of time ago and I never get that piracywall

Secondo me stai leakando i dns, controlla di averli configurati bene

I get more jungle vibes from it :o

very well thought!

p.s. i would be glad if you posted on !art@slrpnk.net next time!

i guess i’ll have to enter in the xmpp chat lol

I’ve not been a mod for quite some time, I’d rather not “force the hand” just ‘cause I founded it