U.S. President Joe Biden told Chinese President Xi Jinping following his meeting with Russia’s Vladimir Putin to “be careful” because Beijing relies on Western investment.
Xi to Biden: “Be careful, your citizens’ purchasing power relies on us exploiting our poor rural population”
There’s always more poor counties to exploit. There’s only so many rich ones to sell to.
I’ve avoided buying anything made in China and items made in South Korea and Taiwan are just as cheap and of a better quality.
The components in those Taiwanese and South Korean products come from China. You can’t avoid the world’s second largest economy in a globalized world.
TSMC Is literally in Taiwan, Samsung is in Korea, and both make there own chips. What are you talking about?
My money isn’t going to China and no South Korea and Taiwan don’t use Chinese products, ever. China is both their moral enemy.
I lived in Taiwan for over 5 years, most people use Chinese products every day. China is their largest trade partner.
About 22% of Taiwan’s imports last year came from mainland China and Hong Kong, versus 10% from the U.S. That doesn’t quite match up with most people use Chinese products every day. Current relations with China are so bad that most of that trade has dried up.
Listen, I literally lived there for years, I have family there, and I visit all the time. People buy and use Chinese goods every day. Xiaomi smart phones and gadgets are super popular. Chinese phone brands like realme and oppo outcompete local brands. People buy Chinese groceries all the time, especially flavorings and hot sauces. People import Chinese books, watch Tencent TV, and listen to Chinese music. They speak the same language so of course people will buy goods and media content from China.
Even though virtually everyone hates the Chinese government, most people still interact with Chinese people, media, or goods on a daily basis. And this isn’t even getting into business supply chains; Taiwan’s dirty secret is that most Taiwanese businesses are very pro-China, even though your average person is worried about China having too much influence.
Perhaps in the past but that isn’t how it is anymore.
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Hasn’t that actually changing, with Western corporations turning to Vietnam and its neighbors due to wages rising in China?
That is true, but it is a very slow process that will take many years
And the West relies on Chinese manufacturing. All the scare mongering surrounding China, the US already would have pulled investment if they actually were the ones in control. The West has hitched its wagon to China at this point. They have no real alternative to turn towards.
There are plenty of alternatives (e.g. Vietnam or Mexico), but China still offers enough advantages to make it the preferred option. This article explains it well: https://www.china-briefing.com/news/reshoring-from-china-to-mexico-how-prevalent-is-it-really/
If you look at various economic indicators, it seems likely that we have reached the peak of China’s production.
Exports peaked in Dec '21: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/total-exports
Population - declining: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/population
Labour force participation rate - declining: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/labour-force-participation-rate
Employed persons - declining: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/employed-persons
Manufacturing wages - doubled in the past 10 years: https://tradingeconomics.com/china/wages-in-manufacturingThere’s a very simple way to measure the migration of manufacturing out of China.
get a list of the top ten cargo ports in the world. count how many are mainland China?
7 or 8 right?
okay let’s go down the list until we get Vietnam or India or someplace where’d you’d expect the manufacturing to go to.
aight… now compare all the cargo capacity for that entire country to one of the eight ports in China? tell you what, let’s include India, and Rotterdam, and LA… just add them all together. How many of 8 does it take to keep up with that 2 or 3 ?
so, cargo shipping capacity… big difference right? day light.
Vietnam wants to make iPhones. you gotta ship 110% of the various bits into Vietnam and then ship out 99% of the finished goods.
all those ports come with piles and piles of back end infrastructure. roads. trucking. rail. skilled workers…
there are infinite alternatives to China. but it will take 40 years to develop any of them to that level.
Are there alternatives though? Apple moved some production to Vietnam, for example. Do you know who’s their partner in Vietnam? Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., better known as Foxconn. Yeah, China, again.
Wouldn’t this be more of a double implication though? Without China to manufacture goods, the West is out of goods, but without the West to purchase said goods, China just gets stuck with a huge amount of goods it can only sell at a discount to other nations, thereby reducing their profit margins. Surely if other places were willing to pay just as much as the West for goods, they would be sold there as well, to not have all eggs in the same basket.
Sort of like what I read on a lunch place - “Eat here, or we both starve”.
Not trying to start a pro-/anti-anything discussion, genuinely curious about the mechanics at play here, global economics, game theory and all that.
Absolutely! Doesn’t change the fact that Biden’s warning is toothless bluster. If he actually tried to end US investment in China it would collapse the world economy. It’s a M.A.D. world
@queermunist @SpiderShoeCult Well said.
That’s exactly his point though. It’s more a reminder, less a threat. It actually sort of touched on it in the article, China’s relationship to Putin vs the West.
It’s sort of going "we see you eyeing off Taiwan, and chumming up to Russia… Please remember that there IS in fact a red line. We’ve told you where it is and if you cross it, you’ll likely destroy us both. Please don’t go thinking that you’ll be fine, because your economy relies heavily on ours, the same as ours does yours. "
Bidens bank balance relies on Chinas investments.
Is Biden that dumb? China holds all our debt! 😬😬
Got a source, or did you happen to overhear this bit of conversation yourself?
