Another convenient excuse for the hand of the free market to limit supply and jack up prices even further…
I mean, if buttholes are shooting missiles at boats, I think we’re beyond “convenient excuses.” Do you want to captain a ship through there by chance?
Any legitimate situation will be taken to gouge prices far beyond their actual additional costs. So yes, it is a convenient excuse.
This is the truth. We’re now in a place where prices only ratchet up… All they need is a global event, and like beats of a drum, all of the megacorps raise prices in sync
No collusion, no competition, only prices go up
Did they sink any?
Did literally one person die?
They’re firing fucking rockets at them, isn’t that bad enough?
To nearly double international shipping costs?
No, it’s not.
Lmao.
Insurance costs for sailing through the red sea are a verifiable metric, and it actually costs at least an order of magnitude more than it used to.
Are you saying the insurers are part of an international cabal of deep state global elites who actually provide lower rates to transportation companies than they state, or somehow hand over those profits freely to Wal-Mart so they can double-dip on the price gouging…???
Like bruh you can criticize price gouging without falling head-over-heels into insane crackpot conspiracy theories. Missiles are being fired, ships have to divert south around Africa, shipping gets expensive, simple as.
People have died in pirate attacks before.
Recently, ships have been hit with missiles.
A lot more people could die if the attacks are not stopped or avoided.
sounds like they need to put some pep in their step stopping the ongoing genocide then
You realize it’s just an excuse for them to attack, right?
man i wish there were some way to test that theory
maybe we could do sort of a ‘stopping the ongoing genocide’ test run, see how they respond
and then keep it going indefinitely because genocide is bad
Why would they attack international shipping if not to stop genocide?
There is no reason for them to do this aside from being the only people with enough morals to step up against Genocide Joe.
They are being directed to attack ships indiscriminately by Iran. If they wanted to fight genocide for real, a naval blockade without weapons would do the trick. This is just terrorism.
They flew in with a Palestinian flag on their helicopter. Their own flag say’s death to Israel and America; the nations doing the genocide and sponsoring the genocide. And all of this is after they just survived a genocide at the hands of the Saudi’s with US bombs and went on to win the war.
Maybe, just maybe, they mean what they say.
Source: it came to me in a dream.
They did actually hijack 1 ship and have kept it and it’s crew hostage, the Galaxy Leader. While there have been misses and successful interceptions, several ships have been damaged.
When you insure ships, you take notice of these kinds of things.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_involvement_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
Goddamnit, Doritos are already over $5 a bag! And I’m not sure they come from the Red Sea…
This means the North Yemenese blockade is achieving its aim of applying pressure to the world’s commercial powers to act on the Gazan Genocide. Now the Chinese and the rest of the world have skin in the game. This is an incentive to every country to tell the Americans to get their pet to start behaving. And without any civilian victims either. This is fantastic strategic thinking. Well done indeed.
Didn’t expect to see pro-violent Islamic terrorism opinions when I logged into lemmy this morning but here you are
II could marginally accept the term “piracy”, given that the Houthis in North Yemen are not recognized as a country, but …“islamic terrorism”? Really? If this is islamic terrorism, what is Isis and Boko Haram? This is the same kind of trivialization that passes for Israeli political discourse these days, like calling Hamas “worse than Nazis”?
These people are not disrupting shipping to establish a kalifate, they are at best intervening in a political land dispute, at the worst doing the best they can to stop an ongoing genocide.
Really? What’s the Houthi movement slogan then?
Oh you know, “the politics is nuanced”, “nobody takes the extremists too seriously”, “I personally don’t agree with the big picture but…”, and all the other excuses Ben Gvir white -washers make for the Israeli establishment. Israel doesn’t get the moral monopoly of having nuanced shitty politics. In practice these guys, yahoos while they might be, are actually trying to stop a currently ongoing genocide. If Israel stops the crimes in Gaza and ends the apartheid and occupation I will join you in condemning anything you like, like tomorrow.
The way you avoid the question tells me that you know you’re in the wrong. I hope you sleep well with your shocking lack of morals!
If hell was putting pressure to stop to a genocide I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
Keep dancing I’m sure you’ll feel better
Yemen is enforcing a blockade against a genocidal criminal state. Someone else is playing world police and the US can’t stand that.
Quite depressing how many people up here stand with genocidal terrorists (Hamas).
You need to be quite the Nazi-lover to claim the 10,000 Palestinian children murdered so far by the guys who claim the entire etnic group they belong to are “human animals”, were Hamas.
Seems like they’re siding with the lesser evil.
I don’t know how you don’t see the difference between a political action like a blockade and actual violent Islamic terrorism. There seems to be a disconnect there. The blockade should be praised as a good thing when compared with all the other terrible actions that could’ve been chosen instead.
The funny bit is that the guys he describes as “terrorists” are the ones doing a blockade to try to stop support from some international powers like the US for the XXI century Nazis who are doing their very own final solution on a people of a different etnicity in a ghetto created and militarilly controlled by those same Nazis.
In other words, he’s claiming the people who actually have the highest moral ground in the greatest genocide of the XXI century (so far) are “terrorists”.
Still, it makes sense that the kind of racist who thinks everybody in that region who follows Islam is a terrorist would be even more enraged that said “terrorists” are trying to stop actual material support for the Genocide being done by the XXI century Nazis who are mass murdering a different etnicity they deem to be “human animals”.
Thank you for only punching me in the face sir.
The Houthis do this because Iran tells them to. WTF. Can’t believe you’re white-knighting this.
Edit: frfr
Maybe the Houthi’s just take their slogan literally and have their own motivations? Everyone’s got to be a puppet though. Is Israel doing a genocide because the US told them to?
Yeah, or the US just invades Yemen with global support, triggering the regional crisis Iran wanted.
None of the regional powers actually care about Palestine outside of using it as a convenient political excuse.
Some of the governments of various regional powers may not care. However the Palestinian cause has massive popular support.
In Yemen I think it’s both. The Yemeni people were starved and bombed by the Saudis with lots of US support. It shouldn’t be surprising to anyone that they feel a deep sympathy for what Palestinians are going through.
The US will lose to the Houthis faster than they did to the Taliban. The Houthis are far better soldiers than the Taliban an have already been dodging US made bombs for a decade.
But hey, maybe it’ll stabilize Red Sea trade long enough for the Zionists to complete their genocide.
There won’t be any goal to police Yemen afterward, which is where the US “lost” (and I’m using that word loosely).
What’s so loose about surrendering Afghanistan back to the Taliban?
So what will the goal be in Yemen theb? Just bomb them enough that they can’t threaten shipping? The Saudi’s bombed them for almost a decade. Or are we gonna put “boots on the ground” and occupy Yemen until Israel is done with its genocide? I dont think thats going to work well. Maybe we’ll sponsor the Islamic State to do it for us?
Two generations are about to learn why America has such a large Navy
And corporations will certainly not use this convenient excuse to jack up their prices immediately, then keep them there after the crisis passes, right? Right?
They’re real good at raising prices. Not good at lowering them. Also good at claiming record profits every year while cutting workforces.
While blaming everything else for why they are cutting the workforce to increase profits even higher
The actual cost hit due to the Houthis was 1.7%
Yeah this isn’t gonna go on much longer without a military response, which I am guessing is the plan. Keep spreading the US and allied countries’ military attention thinner and thinner.
the other option is to comply with the Houthi demands that the starvation of the people of Gaza be ended and supplies be allowed in accordance with the International Laws
Even if America succeeds in mobilising the entire world, our military operations will not stop … no matter the sacrifices it costs us,” Mohammed al-Bukhaiti, a senior Houthi official, said…
Some of you will die but that’s a risk I’m willing to take.
I mean, I think they’d call that an honorable death in some circles.
Don’t they see the US as basically the Empire?
I see the level of political discourse in this sub has risen to the level of :checks notes: Star Wars references.
George Lucas certainly did. The Vietnam War was part of the inspiration for Star Wars.
No doubt that is why there have been muted responses to attacks - it would look really bad to the world.
They also demand a grab bag of other random extremist taking points like that the Quran should be how countries are run, and that the prophets descendents have an absolute right to rule.
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/12/21/the-houthis-endgame-in-yemen/
Thats just their general movement. Not their explicit demands for the blockade.
Because they’re so trustworthy? There’s no clear connection from ships being targeted to Israel like they claim.
Every major country is affected by this. India and China have as much interest in free passage through the Red See as the US or the EU.
And yet China, who has a naval base in Djibouti, seems to just be sitting back and letting everyone else tackle this
This isn’t like the Somali pirates. It is a political issue. If Israel puts its dick back in its pants, the problem goes away. So it is israel’s mess and its allies’. Why the fuck should third countries be spending resources to clean up after Israel and the US?
I don’t know, maybe because they are directly affected by closing a major trade route with one of their largest trading blocks.
Of course they could always sit on their hands, make rude noises and let the US carry their weight… Which is what most of the world expects nowadays.
And they can just hike their prices like everyone else is doing. So why invest time and resources into lowering them back down if it doesn’t affect them?
China is mostly self-sufficient, most of the world is not.
China imports huge quantities of food and fuel. They are far from self sufficient.
Bingo. They know that someone else will do something eventually is my guess.
NATO has so many resources, it’s the entire purpose of NATO.
Saying the resources are being spread thinner is a undebatable fact but I would say not every military/country in NATO had even CLOSE to 100% of people working on Ukraine before Israel piped up.
NATO can handle a lot more of this shit
Operation Prosperity Guardian is already underway. Unfourtuantly, modern drone technology tilts the scales in favor of the attacker in this sort of situation relative to where it was a decade ago; and commercial shipping companies are not in the bussiness of shipping through active combat zones.
They did a good job of spreading themselves thin. Gotta justify that $800+ billion spending.
Guaranteeing free movement is one of the reasons we have a large military.
Navy helicopter shot down a couple of boats a few days ago, but the response will probably grow.
Yeah I mean more of an attack on land actually in Yemen situation or even potentially boots on the ground and not just some sort of cruise missile or air strike.
Things are starting to sound like the book
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_the_World_Is_Just_the_Beginning
which goes into a speculated deglobalization timeline with pretty detailed rhetoric.
Doomer nonsense.
The book is about the US backing off from protecting global trade and what happens afterword. Such is the core thing holding up our current globalized trading system.
It isn’t about everyone dying or some shit (“Doomerism”), it is about geopolitics.
You should read it. Pretty much no one understands how the current state of international affairs has been maintained by global trade. The U.S. Navy protects all global trade. Not just trade to and from the U.S., but obviously it’s not a popular domestic position and it doesn’t make much sense for the U.S. to continue anyway. There’s winners and losers, but mostly losers
What a dumb take. American interventionism exists to rob countries of oil, destabilize them, and make sure they cannot surpass Americ in power.
The entire reason the middle east is chaos right now is because of America. israel is a prime example. A Nazi state that only exists because of America so they can control the region, and it creates chaos and wars.
America isn’t doing jack shit for stability. If they wanted stability they would stop the Genocide instead of trying to pick fights with everyone to protect israel.
Israel only exists because of Nazis, but you can go ahead and call them Nazis. The irony is clearly not lost on you.
There has not been a world war since the U.S. has been upholding the international order that has seen countries like China, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, and many others experience massive economic gains.
The times America has been engaged in conflict since WW2 ended have so much propaganda draped over them that people forget who invaded who first. The North Koreans invaded South Korea to begin the Korean War. The North Vietnamese invaded South Vietnam to begin the Vietnam war. The Iraqis invaded Kuwait to begin Operation Desert Storm. The Serbs tried to genocide the Albanians in Kosovo to begin NATO intervention in the Balkans. The one time the U.S. was totally in the wrong was when Bush lied about Iraq being involved in 9/11, which was completely untrue.
You can have your opinions, but it doesn’t reflect reality. And when the U.S. Navy stops ensuring the free flow of goods, the countries that the U.S. is hurting according to you will be begging us to return the world to the previous order.
Of course, idiots Ike yourself will find a way to blame the CIA for whatever happens because it’s just gotta always be the US’s fault.
Bush lied about WMD’s in Iraq not 9/11. The rest of your comments are all bullshit too but when you claim that israeli Nazis have been defending themselves into stealing all Palestinian land and murdering little children I guess you need some insane alternate history book for your world view to make sense.
Nope, you’re wrong. He started it all with a connection to 9/11. Then they shifted to 9/11 because US intelligence refused to corroborate his lies. But he made those statements as facts. Dude just wanted to finish what his dad didn’t back in the early 90s
Actually you’re right. My bad. I didn’t know that he lied about “Iraq doing 9/11 too” . And afterwards he lied about the WMD’s too. He was just making up tonnes of lies and finding any reason to invade Iraq and overthrow their government to steal oil.
And America got away with it of course.
I’m not entirely sure how this helps your point of America not being the bad actor destabilizing the region though. If anything it makes it even worse. They’re just lying about everything and killing everyone to steal all their things.
The world is literally a mess right now. How you define “stable” is literally in terms of your own day to day affairs.
Lmao. Just give it ten years and we can have that conversation.
Vietnam was justifiedThe absolute historical ignorance Americans put themselves through to preserve the patriotism. You really gotta shove your head deep into the sand to have never gotten a history lesson on Vietnam.
Who invaded who in Vietnam? South Vietnam was invaded first. Thats kind what spurred US involvement. Your head is so far up some Russian trolls ass that you forgot history
The US was had troops in South Vietnam since it was founded. It was a rump French puppet state with incredibly corrupt catholic government that was persecuting the Buddhist minorities. The north was made up of the national forces that kicked the French out. They had every right to overthrow the southern government.
This isnt russian troll position. Americans were saying this enmasse the start of the Vietnam war. American protestors died to stop that war. Draftees killed their officers frequently over it. Read anything about it.
Like do you think the Confederates were justified because the Union invaded them?
The US is now a net exporter of crude, petrochemicals and LNG. We don’t need the Middle East, in fact they are just competitors. But our allies desperately need those energy sources.
The US is currently in the middle of the largest industrial build out in history in N.A. At the end of it we will produce most of what we need locally. Because of our demographics N.A. has the largest consumer market in the world. Most of what we produce is consumed locally. We export food staples and high end technical products. We don’t need foreign markets… but they need us.
With all of the disruptions that global climate change is going to bring in ten to fifteen years, when N.A. is even more self sufficient than it is now, do you think the US will continue to subsidize the world’s economy? Why would we continue guaranteeing freedom of the seas in areas where we have no interest?
America wants to couple oil to the collar and in the past forced everyone to do so. Any leader that wanted to be paid in gold got killed.
Because everyone needs energy, everyone is forced to trade in dollars. And you know what America can do? Print those dollarydoos.
So they are not just making sure their monopoly is stable but also that they have an infinite money hack by devaluing the global currency that everyone is forced to trade in.
Sure, but some interesting observations. 😅
Yeah, nah.
😅
What parts did you find unconvincing?
You read it, right?
They linked a Wikipedia article for a whole book. We can read the summary section, but presumably it would be better to have read the whole book.
Wouldn’t a comment where they mention what applies in this specific situation make more sense than just a link for a book with a title that’s meant to rile people up?
Those that have read it would know there’s a whole section on the US’ protection of world trade and what could happen if it stopped.
Those that have read it would know exactly what it meant to link that book in a thread like this one.
Care to elaborate why is this relevant?
The book goes into some detail why and how the deteriorating global situation will start affecting global shipping and cascading into an array of economic crap scenarios.
People are down voting you due to the link name without actually reading it, in the future if you have links like that, it may be helpful to use a hidden link/named link like this to weed out the people who didn’t actually click on it. They just see a “end of the world” link and down vote. The link you posted summerises the overall preface quite well, The issue is a global issue, more then just the US is effected by this embargo. I’m against military involvement but, I also think that’s the only way to preserve the routes due to neither side being willing to even talk.
Ok have fun with your blockade thing.
I wonder if ships will face issue caused by Cape Horn since they’ll have to go by that route.
