Not taking their side, but politicians who say that a nuclear plant shouldn’t be built next to a nature preserve don’t have to know the exact physics going on inside it. Common sense and popular opinion that that would be stupid and unnecessarily risky is enough for the decision to stand.
One thing that would save the internet would be to require a passport to be able to use it, ie no more anonymity. Abuse or fakery should get draconian penalties.
I know that would be bad for people of certain countries with oppressive governments, but for the West it would stop the rise of mgtow fascism in its tracks.
Awesome! That way, the next time a minority starts connecting and coordinating using the internet, conservatives can silence them by doxxing them and threatening their families!
If the silencing and persecution of minorities is not part of your definition of “the rise of fascism”, you should really gain a better definition of the “fascism” actually is.
Fascism is very well defined and it’s not what you wrote. Just look it up.
And while you’re at it, look up “paradox of tolerance”, too.
When a plane with 20 people on board is bound to crash into a full football stadium with 70.000 people, you’d be the guy who decides to not shoot down the plane because the 20 people shouldn’t be weighed against possibly thousands dying if it crashed into the stadium.
The moral codex in Western countries is to cause as little loss as possible, so the 20 people on board will count less than the thousands on the ground.
Accordingly there oppressed minorities using the Internet to communicate won’t be weighed against the millions of people who’d die in a new Holocaust, which is the final goal of the new fascists.
Fascism is well-defined? With all due respect, this is the kind of statement that betrays a lack of knowledge of the field. Fascism is notorious in political science for being poorly defined both as a system of government and as an ideology.
What constitutes as a definition of fascism and fascist governments has been a complicated and highly disputed subject concerning the exact nature of fascism and its core tenets debated amongst historians, political scientists, and other scholars ever since Benito Mussolini first used the term in 1915. Historian Ian Kershaw once wrote that “trying to define ‘fascism’ is like trying to nail jelly to the wall”.
For convenience, we can use the Wikipedia definition, which clearly signposts the oppression of political and social minorities as key parts of the definition of fascism.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
“Paradox of tolerance” does not justify literally any oppressive act.
And yeah, if a plane with 20 people on board is on a glide path towards a stadium, I’m going to be pretty skeptical of anybody who’s just champing at the bit to shoot it down. If we’ve got the time to talk about it, we can evacuate the stadium, or get in contact with the pilot, or scramble a jet to take a look inside and confirm if the occupants are incapacitated, or nudge a wingtip so that it glides into a less populated area. All of which have a better chance of success and are less disruptive than firing an armed missile within civilian airspace. Your unwillingness to consider less extreme options will inadvertently end up empowering authoritarians and enabling the very abuses you nominally wish to prevent.
It’s a thought experiment. It’s not meant to inspire you to look for better options, but to illustrate the moral dilemma of sacrificing a fewer number of lives for a greater one.
I mean you don’t seem to have a good grasp on complex matters so apologies for bamboozling you, but you need to learn a lot more about real life before discussing these things.
You gave a perfect example of why politician decision SHOULD be based on technical knowledge and not only on what seems to be common sense or popular opinion.
In this case having a nuclear plant close to a close to a nature reserve could be a good idea.
A nuclear plant has a much lower impact on biodiversity than an agricultural field for exemple.
In this case Mozilla likely has staff and contributors working out of France. Chances are they make money from there too. Mozilla would either need to forfeit the above or comply if the law is implemented.
Enforcement from decent sized economies can often be as simple as having too much economic power to ignore, which often isn’t that high of a threshold.
Sure, but again, it’s open-source - couldn’t somebody not legally affiliated with Mozilla offer a version of it from a server outside France with the blocking code removed?
Yes - but the vast majority of people are not going to be downloading forks or modified versions of software, they will always get it directly from the source.
They don’t have to. Because 90% of the population are either too lazy or too uniformed to do anything but download it from the first link that Google shows them, and the other 10% who care aren’t important enough to warrant enforcement.
How do they propose to enforce this, when browsers are free and open-source and can easily be downloaded from hosts outside of France?
People that propose this kind of stuff always know exactly nothing about how the internet, or technology in general, works.
The Internet is a series of tubes, not a dump truck.
For those who don’t know, this is from senator Ted Stevens explaining how the internet works. Here is the audio:
https://youtu.be/R8XSo0etBC4
YouTube links without context or a description are horrible.
Spend the extra 10 seconds to tell people why you feel they fit into the conversation.
Assume its rickroll
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/R8XSo0etBC4
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
Whoever owns this account should change the server used to show piped links because this server doesn’t work anymore.
Not taking their side, but politicians who say that a nuclear plant shouldn’t be built next to a nature preserve don’t have to know the exact physics going on inside it. Common sense and popular opinion that that would be stupid and unnecessarily risky is enough for the decision to stand.
One thing that would save the internet would be to require a passport to be able to use it, ie no more anonymity. Abuse or fakery should get draconian penalties.
I know that would be bad for people of certain countries with oppressive governments, but for the West it would stop the rise of mgtow fascism in its tracks.
Awesome! That way, the next time a minority starts connecting and coordinating using the internet, conservatives can silence them by doxxing them and threatening their families!
True, that’s a drawback but one with less severe consequences for humankind than if we just let this rise of fascism continue.
If the silencing and persecution of minorities is not part of your definition of “the rise of fascism”, you should really gain a better definition of the “fascism” actually is.
Fascism is very well defined and it’s not what you wrote. Just look it up.
And while you’re at it, look up “paradox of tolerance”, too.
When a plane with 20 people on board is bound to crash into a full football stadium with 70.000 people, you’d be the guy who decides to not shoot down the plane because the 20 people shouldn’t be weighed against possibly thousands dying if it crashed into the stadium.
The moral codex in Western countries is to cause as little loss as possible, so the 20 people on board will count less than the thousands on the ground.
Accordingly there oppressed minorities using the Internet to communicate won’t be weighed against the millions of people who’d die in a new Holocaust, which is the final goal of the new fascists.
Fascism is well-defined? With all due respect, this is the kind of statement that betrays a lack of knowledge of the field. Fascism is notorious in political science for being poorly defined both as a system of government and as an ideology.
For convenience, we can use the Wikipedia definition, which clearly signposts the oppression of political and social minorities as key parts of the definition of fascism.
“Paradox of tolerance” does not justify literally any oppressive act.
And yeah, if a plane with 20 people on board is on a glide path towards a stadium, I’m going to be pretty skeptical of anybody who’s just champing at the bit to shoot it down. If we’ve got the time to talk about it, we can evacuate the stadium, or get in contact with the pilot, or scramble a jet to take a look inside and confirm if the occupants are incapacitated, or nudge a wingtip so that it glides into a less populated area. All of which have a better chance of success and are less disruptive than firing an armed missile within civilian airspace. Your unwillingness to consider less extreme options will inadvertently end up empowering authoritarians and enabling the very abuses you nominally wish to prevent.
It’s a thought experiment. It’s not meant to inspire you to look for better options, but to illustrate the moral dilemma of sacrificing a fewer number of lives for a greater one.
I mean you don’t seem to have a good grasp on complex matters so apologies for bamboozling you, but you need to learn a lot more about real life before discussing these things.
You gave a perfect example of why politician decision SHOULD be based on technical knowledge and not only on what seems to be common sense or popular opinion.
In this case having a nuclear plant close to a close to a nature reserve could be a good idea.
A nuclear plant has a much lower impact on biodiversity than an agricultural field for exemple.
I didn’t.
In this case Mozilla likely has staff and contributors working out of France. Chances are they make money from there too. Mozilla would either need to forfeit the above or comply if the law is implemented.
Enforcement from decent sized economies can often be as simple as having too much economic power to ignore, which often isn’t that high of a threshold.
Sure, but again, it’s open-source - couldn’t somebody not legally affiliated with Mozilla offer a version of it from a server outside France with the blocking code removed?
Yes - but the vast majority of people are not going to be downloading forks or modified versions of software, they will always get it directly from the source.
The “default”, so to speak, has a lot of power.
They can probably enforce it on the major ones and that will be enough to censor 95% of the population.
They don’t have to. Because 90% of the population are either too lazy or too uniformed to do anything but download it from the first link that Google shows them, and the other 10% who care aren’t important enough to warrant enforcement.