Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

last week’s thread

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    Anyone matched the list of names of the dinguses currently wrecking US agencies from the inside with known LW or HN posters?

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        do these kooks follow single inheritance or multiple inheritance rules? I’m a bit more worried about the latter

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        how do you reckon? not sure I directly see the overlap (and while admittedly I haven’t gotten to dive full depth on the zizians, the bits I did get to so far struck me as what would happen if adolescent spock became a logical extremist)

        I was struck by the outright “hey we’ve got cult camp” kitted out in whatever-the-fuck they’ve done to (one of the strands of?) buddhism while also pitching this on-surface as “people are cyborgs now”

        although it did remind me of how much buddhist and related reading+pondering I saw in the postrat scenes, and now I’m wondering if that’s a thing that I missed in others of this before

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          Buddhist thinking has always been a big undercurrent (at least compared to the rest of the western world) in the hacker/computer science world, so doesnt have to come from anything LW related.

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            it’s above-baseline among the tpots (at least relative to other areas I’ve observed it)

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      This community is for those willing to bring wisdom and compassion into the world. It is not for those easily duped by what they find in their minds or online.

      no red flags there

      edit to add: Emphasis in original

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    looking for advice/suggestions:

    anyone seen anything yet (uBlock ruleset, {tamper,grease}monkey scripts, etc) that can block the “talk to our prompt” widgets that have started showing up on too many fucking webpages? I’m getting sick of the things, and I haven’t really yet found an exhaustive list of this shit from which to build up a list

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        of things I’ve found in the space that do address this somewhat includes this (a list of domains of either explicitly full of slop or heavily supporting slop)

        brave supposedly has something as well but, well, it’s brave so it’s a non-starter

        this is a now-archived project that maintained a list of chat widgets

        regarding instances of widgets, off the top of my head some places where I’ve seen chat prompts unhelpfully placed: pluginboutique.com, hetzner.com, most aws doc and product pages (“Explainer”). I think hydro.run also had some trash popping up (I have a block for it), but can’t recall under which section

        (DDG also pops some up constantly unless you have the cookies set, but that fails in fresh browser instances)

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    OAI announced their shiny new toy: DeepResearch (still waiting on DeeperSeek). A bot built off O3 which can crawl the web and synthesize information into expert level reports!

    Noam is coming after you @dgerard, but don’t worry he thinks it’s fine. I’m sure his new bot is a reliable replacement for a decentralized repository of all human knowledge freely accessible to all. I’m sure this new system doesn’t fail in any embarrassing wa-

    After posting multiple examples of the model failing to understand which player is on which team (if only this information was on some sort of Internet Encyclopedia, alas), Professional AI bully Colin continues: “I assume that in order to cure all disease, it will be necessary to discover and keep track of previously unknown facts about the world. The discovery of these facts might be a little bit analogous to NBA players getting traded from team to team, or aging into new roles. OpenAI’s “Deep Research” agent thinks that Harrison Barnes (who is no longer on the Sacramento Kings) is the Kings’ best choice to guard LeBron James because he guarded LeBron in the finals ten years ago. It’s not well-equipped to reason about a changing world… But if it can’t even deal with these super well-behaved easy facts when they change over time, you want me to believe that it can keep track of the state of the system of facts which makes up our collective knowledge about how to cure all diseases?”

    xcancel link if anyone wants to see some more glorious failure cases:

    https://xcancel.com/colin_fraser/status/1886506507157585978#m

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      “Aligning people is hard too” a thing that only a literal sociopath would think and only a special kind of sociopath would utter publicly

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    in which karpathy goes “eh, fuckit”:

    a tweet by andrej karpathy, text below

    karpathy tweet text

    There’s a new kind of coding I call “vibe coding”, where you fully give in to the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget that the code even exists. It’s possible because the LLMs (e.g. Cursor Composer w Sonnet) are getting too good. Also I just talk to Composer with SuperWhisper so I barely even touch the keyboard. I ask for the dumbest things like “decrease the padding on the sidebar by half” because I’m too lazy to find it. I “Accept All” always, I don’t read the diffs anymore. When I get error messages I just copy paste them in with no comment, usually that fixes it. The code grows beyond my usual comprehension, I’d have to really read through it for a while. Sometimes the LLMs can’t fix a bug so I just work around it or ask for random changes until it goes away. It’s not too bad for throwaway weekend projects, but still quite amusing. I’m building a project or webapp, but it’s not really coding - I just see stuff, say stuff, run stuff, and copy paste stuff, and it mostly works.

    skipping past the implicit assumption of “well, just have a bunch of money to be able to keep throwing the autoplag at the wall until something sticks”, the admissions of not giving a single fuck about anything, and the straight and plain “well, it often just doesn’t work like we keep promising it does”, imagine being this fucking incurious and void of joy

    I’m left wondering if this bastard is running through the stages of grief (at being thrown out), because this sure as fuck reads like despair to me

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      This reinforces my judgment that the ultimate customers for code-completion models are people who don’t actually want to be writing code in the first place.

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      So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, it’s now “not too bad for throwaway weekend projects”. Wow, great. Let’s fire all the programmers already!

      Apart from whatever the fuck that process is, it is not engineering.

      And to think that people hated on Visual Basic once… in comparison to this stuff, it was the most solid of solid foundations.

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        So after billions of investment, and gigawatt-hours of energy, it’s now

        on the level of a ‘build your own website’ site. They are the wysiwyg users now.

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    The blue check reaction to the totally cracked treasury zoomers showcases a complete rejection of the importance of domain knowledge. It’s 10x software engineer syndrome metastasized.

    They’re saying that the ice cream hair kid - who has never worked on a real world system because he’s STILL IN COLLEGE - is going to do us proud because he translated a greek scroll in high school? Good for him, but so what? Ben Carson split babies in half like Solomon and he’s still a moron.

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      I wonder if one of the reasons they’re so young is that’s the age you’d have to be to not realize in how much legal trouble they might be putting themselves in. (Bar an eventual pardon from Trump.)

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        Also the age where you are easily impressed by a supposed genius, actual billionaire, ‘meme lord’ who sort of speaks your language (but due to your age you have not noticed only in the most shallow way), who showers you with attention. While also filled with the righteous fury of wanting to act on your ideology.

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      Don’t worry they will use ChatGPT to learn all the COBOL they need.

      (One of my pet peeves in software is bad documentation (always fun when the comments and the documentation contradict, and after an hour of digging through the email archives you discover both are wrong, and nobody every cared to update either, as the email was enough), but lol if that is what saves the US gov (and look at how bad it has gotten, I’m rooting for the US gov now. If I ever want to be seen as worthwhile I will try to hire Musk to get mad at me, it worked for Zuck (a little bit))).

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        Don’t worry they will use ChatGPT to learn all the COBOL they need.

        Oh why would they. They will just rewrite it from scratch in a weekend, right? And reading the original code would only pollute the mind with historic knowledge, and that stands in the way of disruptive innovation.

        (btw I appreciate your correctly nested parentheses.)

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          (btw I appreciate your correctly nested parentheses.)

          I once fucked those up and people got mad. (I kid, they pointed out I usually use them correctly). I mostly use parentheses to note that im going a bit offtrack, which keeps happening, it is a bad habit.

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            Myself I’ve learned to embrace the em dash—like so, with a special shoutout to John Green—and interleaving ( [ { } ] ). On mac and linux conveniently short-cutted to Option+Shift+‘-’, windows is a much less satisfying Alt+0150 without third party tools like AutoHotKey.

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    Somebody pointed out that HN’s management is partially to blame for the situation in general, on HN. Copying their comment here because it’s the sort of thing Dan might blank:

    but I don’t want to get hellbanned by dang.

    Who gives a fuck about HN. Consider the notion that dang is, in fact, partially to blame for this entire fiasco. He runs an easy-to-propagandize platform due how much control of information is exerted by upvotes/downvotes and unchecked flagging. It’s caused a very noticeable shift over the past decade among tech/SV/hacker voices – the dogmatic following of anything that Musk or Thiel shit out or say, this community laps it up without hesitation. Users on HN learn what sentiment on a given topic is rewarded and repeat it in exchange for upvotes.

    I look forward to all of it burning down so we can, collectively, learn our lessons and realize that building platforms where discourse itself is gamified (hn, twitter, facebook, and reddit) is exactly what led us down this path today.

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      “Wow, this Penny Arcade comic featuring toxic yaoi of submissive Sam Altman is lowkey kinda hot” is a sentence neither I nor any LLM, Markov chain or monkey on a typewriter could have predicted but now exists.

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    Kelsey Piper continues to bluecheck:

    Scott Alexander was accused of being secretly a right-wing racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled, and I think a bunch of his followers believed it, and now they’re shocked and hurt that he’s actually the sincere center left guy he said he was the whole time.

    (Via.)

    (For convenience: The leaked e-mails in which he admits to being secretly racist and hiding it to avoid getting cancelled. And his endorsement of super-racist Richard Lynn from last month.)

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      Also, I don’t know that people are particularly concerned about the left/right spectrum as much as the explicitly racist and tacitly authoritarian sentiments. Like, if your vision of “the left” includes Scott, AOC, and Karl Marx then you have basically defined the left/right spectrum to be meaningless.

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        Her talk of people being “desperate” for Scoot to be racist suggests a dismally gamified view of life. I mean, he’s a racist. However I feel about that, it doesn’t change the basic fact. She’s playing for a weird gotcha of some kind that could only ever make sense if you (a) regard writing as point-scoring and also (b) accept Richard Lynn-ism as science.

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      really enjoying (?) the implication that anything less than extreme genocidal resentment is considered left of centre these days

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        Anybody can be left of center if the overton window shifts enough far right. He doesnt want to sterilize ALL minorities so clearly he is an ally.