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being reasonable is very nice
Not gonna lie, the performatively anti-vegan rhetoric is cringe af.
Not sure why it’s so popular on lemmy of all places, but there’s been some really terrible behaviour towards vegans whenever I’ve seen the topic pop up. Just flooding the platform with hate particles for absolutely no reason.
Because there is a subset of vegans who are vocal about their perceived moral superiority due to their diet. Sadly these are the loudest voices many people hear and they frequently aren’t nice people.
Most vegans aren’t attacking people over their dietary choices so non-vegans only tend to see the aggressive folks.
You really, really need to go out your way to find those loud moral superior vegans. Like, look for them, search their communities specifically.
However, there is no shortage of comment from people who apparently just can’t stop seeing angry vegans everywhere and that’s why, those commenters conclude, it’s normal and good to continue with constant anti-veran rhetoric. Because those vegans, you see, are everywhere.This is one of the biggest problems with literally everything. People see the loud assholes and assume everyone is like that.
So many people think that there are folks out there abusing the pittance they get from welfare because they saw a few people wasting their food stamps. When in reality most people on welfare aren’t out and about to be seen, they’re at home (if they have a home) trying to stretch their dollars.
People extrapolate and generalize far too easily.
Anti-welfare rhetoric was a deliberate propaganda campaign. That’s extensively documented, all of that was the result of Reagans deliberate actions.
In this, I assume, it is also very similar to a perpetual vegan bashings.
Most vegans/vegetarians I know IRL are chill af. Online veganism is sometimes a whole different thing. Plenty of vegans saying if you’re not vegan you’re not a leftist, or if you’re not vegan why are you even commenting about Palestine because clearly you don’t care about genocide. I’ve only seen 2 posts like that on my year+ on lemmy, but I just ignore them. I’m sure some leftist looking for leftist infighting saw that and was like, vegans are the new MLs/stalinists/anarchists/proto-anti-natural-primitivist or whatever.
Very true, but it also doesn’t help ridiculing and banning people from vegan communities who want to go more vegan, but aren’t there yet. There’s some serious gatekeeping going on and it unfortunately makes people give up becoming vegan in defiance.
Lemmy is pretty anti-vegan (and the world is as well), hence this meme being highly upvoted. That causes vegan communities to only want vegans in their spaces so they don’t have to deal with trolls. I know I’ve run into people multiple times who just want to ask questions in these spaces but then it just turns into a troll. I remember someone opening a space meant for vegans who aren’t assholes supposedly, and when I looked in it, it had people describing hunting in gory detail and how important hunting is to them and how they will not ever give up hunting. How is that supposed to be welcoming to vegans? It’s not, it’s just another space for carnism.
If you want to go vegan, online strangers will not stop you no matter how shitty you think they are being to you. You really going to kill animals because someone was mean to you after you already decided it was wrong to do so? It doesn’t matter how you approach the subject, people just don’t give a shit. Most people are lost causes, they will blame anything for why they won’t make the change. I’ve been nice and get told BS anyway. It’s not the way vegans communicate, but it is a convenient excuse for carnists to continue consuming animal products.
Yeah I was in a vegan community cheering people on for being stronger than me. Mentioned that I like meat a lot but I’m trying to cut back. Comment deleted.
This meme isn’t anti vegan…
Edit: Actually, I’ll elaborate on my thoughts since I made it. I completely agree that vegan/vegetarian is the morally superior position. Even though we evolved to eat meat we can and should choose to live in a way that causes as little harm to nature as possible. That being said I do eat meat. There are a lot of things I would like to improve about myself and that’s just not one I am currently prioritizing.
The point of this meme is that instead of fighting our society would be much better if we worked together on common goals. There are degrees of harm and factory farming is SO much worse for animals than traditional farming. If we all worked together we could build a society with less meat consumption overall and where farm animals are treated better. And everyone would be happier for it.
Lemmy has a loud and angry vegan community.
The reasonable folks among us are turned off by all of yall (the loud and angry folks, and those coming out of the woodwork to argue with vegan people), but it’s hard to be swayed to veganism when that’s the miasma.
Those trolls are just stupid tbh. They probably expect vegans to react shocked or something. It’s definitely okay to ban those.
I think that even though some people find excuses to not become vegan, it shows they know it is the right thing to do and I think it’s possible to give them easy vegan recipes and tips to get them as close to veganism as possible and that would still be an improvement and a win for vegans.
!carnivore@lemm.ee is essentially reactionary.
Really cringe shit.
Seeing this meme play out in the comment section is really fucking funny.
Ethics be what they may, shaming every individual you interact with who doesn’t conform to your beliefs is a really shitty way to try to effect societal change.
Except that this post is an anti-vegan strawman. Nobody is hoping that people starve, and nobody is starving because eggs are slightly more expensive.
I belive access to healthy, ethical food is a human right. Why should I be expected to advocate for food that I believe is unethical, especially when it’s unnecessary?
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Number one reason I don’t want to be called a vegan. Especially online ones are particularly cringe and rude. It’s ridiculous. They’re like the American Protestants of diets
For the uninitiated: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Yeah, getting real tired of this song and dance they have going here.
Well consider me initiated
Why would you starve if you couldn’t afford eggs? This is a ridiculous strawman.
The vegan in this meme is a fucking clown. 🤡
“I’m vegan but I’m a hypocrite and don’t actually care if others constantly kill and consume animals for no reason. People might treat me poorly if I stand up for other species, and who cares if they die anyway?”
Looking forward to all the rare conditions everyone will suddenly have in response to my comment.
Being a prick isn’t making anyone eat less meat. Ensuring others have easy access and knowledge of lower meat diet options does. Sounds to me like the clown is doing a better job of helping animals than you are 🤷🏻♂️.
constantly kill and consume animals for no reason.
They taste good.
Skill issue. If you don’t know how to cook meatless dishes that are at least as good, you’re really missing out.
That’s two reasons then 🤷
Bottom row energy
Low effort energy
Plant murderer.
Funny because I almost used “murderer” but knew every animal abuser would set down their burger for 20 seconds to go “well actually murder is only when you kill people…” but yeah, it’s totally okay for you to use that language. 😒
… yeah, it’s totally okay for you to use that language.
I know, that’s why I used it.
Literally every vegan I’ve ever met sadly. Either this or they don’t understand veganism
I just don’t get it. If you actually don’t need to consume animals to survive then why do it at all? People expect us to be nice to them about it??
Vegans not getting most people aren’t vegan and how to be nice is classic vegans…
Apply this to anything else though. This comes up in all sorts of other social issues whenever one group has a problem and another group sees no problem.
“I just wish they’d be nicer about it” has been applied to environmentalism and civil rights issues too, and I don’t think it’s a valid response.
People making you uncomfortable doesn’t invalidate what they’re saying.
Acting like we haven’t been around people before and know exactly how they feel, who still get frustrated because they’re expected to be nice to people they’ve come to realize are willing participants to animal abuse is classic nonvegans.
On the top: the ideal of leftists
On the bottom: Reddit rad libs
Lol wow this meme encapsulates exactly how I feel about this whole debate.
