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It makes much more sense to put the chargers in places where you park your car: At home, at parking lots and at work.
Gas stations. No.
These are fast chargers to top-off for extended trips.
Those places make a lot more sense than what the US is doing, which is putting its long distance fast chargers in weird ass parking lots that lack access to a restroom, convenient store, food, or even a bucket with a window squeegee.
Edit: I guess I didn’t leave this when I left reddit. This is completely factual. How many of you down voters have actually used a super charger?
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Ha! That is the opposite of the truth.
Aside from the fact that not all of them are at gas stations, they’re almost always very near to them.
IME, there’s always a place to go to the bathroom and purchase something. Plus, lots of them will offer you discounts while you’re charging.
As a non-Tesla EV owner, the one supercharger I’ve been to that accepted non-Teslas was out in a rural spot where there was one shop that was closed when I got there.
All the other chargers I’ve been to are stuffed in random parking lots. There’s often something within a 15 minute walk, but that’s completely random. It’s obvious no real attempt was made to cater to charging vehicles.
We’re now starting to get sites with more chargers, and they are being set up as convenient rest stops with food and other services available. But those are still few and far between.
Teal deer; your personal experience is not universal.
Maybe things are different in Germany, which is what this article is about.
My experience is of Telsa’s network in California. Which is home turf for the North America’s best EV network. Telsa is pretty good at putting superchargers near fast food and drug stores, but it’s kind of inconsistent. Some might not be near a public bathroom, and some might not be near a gas station if you want wiper fluid, air, or a squeegee.
Charger vendors are clearly trying to put chargers by places where people can get coffee and take a shit. I don’t see why people are so opposed to putting them in or right next to gas stations. That would be super convenient as long as it’s not a crowded station that can’t accommodate cars staying for a bit longer.
DC fast chargers. Not level 2 240v chargers.
Next, what a shit article.
You need infrastructure for fast charging so that people can travel long distances.
It takes several hours to charge my car at home. I do that twice a week or so.
That’s too long when I go on a trip long enough where you’d need to get gas . If I go to the supercharger, it’s 25 minutes every four hours or so. That’s just the opposite of a problem for me.
The only remaining problem for me is that there’s not more fast DC chargers.
I’d really like to take my EV camping, but the places where I like to go camping are far from any fast charging and don’t have RV plugs. A regular 120v/15A wall plug overnight would resolve the issue, but I just can’t guarantee that one’s available.
That’s the only “range anxiety” I have. On a daily basis, I just never have to worry about running out of juice. It’s just full all the time.
It’s like a phone. I charge it every night (I don’t even do that for the EV). The only problem is if I’m traveling, and cars and planes have charging for me.
Once there’s more infrastructure, it’s just no problem.
Fast chargers at sizeable gas stations make sense. Sheetz has already been putting them in at some larger locations.
My favorite are the chargers at buc-ees. Get to buy some beef jerky and a bbq sandwich while charging.
QuikTrip has been installing EV chargers for years now, but they also offer a lot more amenities for long stays so they’re in a position of strength.
Sheets hasn’t Tesla has been installing them at places like Sheetz.
Anyway, it looks like the NACS is winning the standards war, so everyone will benefit from their early investment.
Not just Tesla and not just NACS. Other charging networks using CCS are going into Sheetz as well. I know I always stop at two Electrify America Sheetz locations on the PA turnpike whenever I drive it.
While I’m sure Electrify America is doing the same thing as Tesla (installing electric “gas stations” at regular gas stations, because it’s an obvious place to put them), I’ve only seen one ccs charger in my life.
I’ve never actually seen anyone use it, and it’s frequently got tape around it.
I take that tape as “it’s broken” but I don’t care to check on it.
A Tesla driver probably wouldn’t have any great need to see a CCS charger, just like a non-Tesla diver has little reason to go to a Tesla supercharger. They’re around, though. EA seems to like putting chargers in Sheetz and Walmart. Chargepoint is less predictable as to where you’ll find them. They do seen broken more often than they should be (usually seems to be a computer/software issue), though, I’ll give you that.
just like a non-Tesla diver has little reason to go to a Tesla supercharger.
a whole bunch of companies are adopting the tesla charger design.
Nissan, Honda, Ford, GM, MB, Volvo already confirmed and more coming.
It probably just depends on the location then cause I charged my ev6 at 2 different Sheetz on a trip I had a couple weeks ago.
Places you can spend time at. Restaurants, coffee shops, even fast food, the mall, etc.
Work. The answer is always work. Eke out a little more profit while people recharge.
If you’re taking a road trip, charging at work won’t help you.
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In much of the rural US gas stations are a “one stop” - gas, groceries and often a restaurant. It would be a no brainier to add charging to those.
Oh c’mon everyone hangs out at the local gas station!
To your point, mandate public places not a relic of a dying industry.
I’m not even supposed to be here today!
Ok, I know that wasn’t a gas station, but it felt like it fit.
Something is afoot at the Circle K
So you can’t own an EV if you live in an apartment? Hmmm…
Last I checked, most apartments have parking lots.
Of course you can, and IMO, you should be able to charge it at home, in parking lots and at work.
At home either you’re responsible on your own or your landlord is, in fact in Germany many people rent. Here there is a law already: if requested, the landlord has to install an EV charger. In many parking lots of businesses at least where I live chargers already exist. I don’t know if this is another law or if it just works in that field.
The current German government isn’t famous for their well-thought-out decisions.
There is a difference between bad policy and unpopular policy. If each party caters to their target audience there are two others the policy is unpopular with. Blatantly bad policy is rare. Interestingly the current opposition had the same intention when they were in charge. But now they have to cater to their right wing audience.
IMO the current model we use for gas stations wouldn’t work for EVs. Charging times for EVs can take a long time compared to petroleum vehicles taking only a couple minutes (depending on tank size). The lines would be a terrible experience, and you’d probably end up having to reserve a spot.
I can’t imagine why you’d think that.
Yes. It takes a bit longer, but most people would charge at home.
You only use the fast DC chargers when you go on long trips.
There would just eventually be enough spots anyway. Supply and demand.
With my EV, you don’t “go to the gas station” unless you’re on a road trip. In your day to day travel, you just always have enough juice.
It’s actually a lot nicer than a gas car in this respect.
Honestly, it makes sense for any business off of a highway that sells things to provide fast chargers. They still take several minutes at a minimum to charge, so you have a captive and probably bored customer. Seems like a gas station, restaurant, whatever would quickly make back the money spent on charging infrastructure in increased sales from people who’d rather shop or eat than sit in their car for a half hour.
Exactly. This is the same reason as why convenience stores make the profit to support the gas stations.
Here in Australia, I think it would actually work quite well, particularly in rural areas… then again all our service stations are pretty much convenience stores where you can buy fuel. Many of them you can buy a coffee and baked goods as well, some even have full restaurants.
this is a reminder that EVs are here to save the car industry, not our lives.
wish they’d invest in public transport.
They’re doing both. Yeah, I’d wish they’d do more for public transport. But the 49 Euro ticket was a good start.
This is me, laughing at your comment as a bald eagle clutching an assault rifle flies over and shits simultaneously on my head and the idea of public transit.
I could say the same for it over here in the states bc geezus. Esp as someone who absolutely hates driving bc of audhd and so many other reasons. Not to mention everything is so far away when I need it and shopping online isn’t always ideal(and I’m still wary of buying certain things online…)
More than anything else in this world, I just want to live in a truly walkable city. I’ll probably have to eventually cross an ocean to get that.
Yep which sucks. I want the same so bad. It shouldn’t be that bad of a request to just start investing in some form of transit and redevelopment for that reason. Better than investing in roads as the sole way to get anyone around 😭
Cars are just too much and I wanna bike more but I’m scared I’d get run over or have the bike stolen if I attempted biking more…
Gas stations will need to evolve to account for the wait of EV charging. They will need to become fast casual restaurants with options for long-term stayers and this is not possible with some landlocked locations, as opposed to newer developments in the states.
Some US chains are primed for this, or at least pretty close. Wawa, Buc-ee’s, and similar, have ready made and made to order food, restrooms, and many have shopping as well. They aren’t full sitdown restaurants, but they could optionally add seating areas if they didn’t want to just let people eat in their cars.
So pretty much they just need to find space for the car chargers at their normal parking spots, and maybe add some more spots to deal with increased demand in the future. I’ve seen both Wawa and Buc-ee’s testing chargers at some of the locations, so they’re definitely moving in the direction already.
Rented a Tesla this summer for a trip with my family- where I was in Michigan, the nearest superchargers were in the lot at Meijers (a regional supermarket chain), which made sense (there’s already a big lot there, already infra, it’s a place you can tie fueling up with getting groceries) but it meant I had to drive half an hour to shop instead of going to the local market.
My thought is that they should be planting superchargers (or their functional equivalent) in every store or restaurant parking lot because when the only place to get a charge is in the next county over, that’s directing EV drivers there and not local
Yeah, it’ll cost something to build out infra to support that much power but honestly the US grid needs the upgrades anyhow- and if anything, electricity is relatively cheap compared to buying gas
Congratulations, you managed to burn even more money!
Why are they pushing the costs onto gas stations and not paying for it themselves?
That article is too shit to extract any “real” information from, but gas stations are a very logical place to install electric “gas stations”.
They have the infrastructure, and they can reap the profits.
they can reap the profits
Clearly not, given it’s having to be mandated. Again, why are they pushing the costs onto gas stations and not paying for it themselves?
Newsflash: not everybody does absolutely every single possible thing that could possibly be profitable in any imaginable way
Oh yeah. More diesel generators in rural areas, because the local power supplies can’t keep up with multiple fast charging stations.
Huh? That’s not a thing that happens except on tiny islands where you don’t need fast charging
