Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”
Kyle Rittenhouse’s sister Faith is seeking $3,000 on a crowdfunding website in a bid to prevent the eviction of herself and her mother Wendy from their home, citing her “brother’s unwillingness to provide or contribute to our family.”
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You do know that going to a protest with a rifle is a provocation, right?
FWIW I think it depends on intent. You could be showing up with a rifle in support of the protestors (which has happened, especially in 2020).
Wrong. It’s an open carry state, there was nothing strange about it.
If it was such a “provocation”, then why did nobody give a shit when he showed up, even though it was super obvious he was armed with a long rifle? How come he walked around for hours doing his thing (handing out water bottles, giving basic medical care to whoever asked (at least 8 people according to evidence and trial testimony), etc.), and literally nobody gave a shit, while he had that rifle on him the whole time?
Rosenbaum literally screamed “I’m going to kill you” at Rittenhouse, and for what? Because he put out Rosenbaum’s dumpster fire.
Get real.
Fuck off fascist
Correcting false statements with known facts (it’s so extra absurd because there is SO MUCH hard evidence!) is not fascism. It’s not even political at all.
You’re such a fascist defending loser.
It says a lot about you that caring about the truth makes someone a loser in your eyes.
I’ll defend anyone against what I know to be lies about them. Their politics are completely irrelevant.
It’s called having principles, and valuing them, instead of the narrative of an ideology that prioritizes its propagation over what’s actually true.
Sorry… are you under the bizarre impression that because it’s legal to carry a gun, you can’t provoke someone with it?
No, I’m contradicting the ridiculous argument that existing in public while armed, in an open carry state, is somehow, in and of itself, provocation.
No one is making that argument.
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I agree that Kyle is a bad person, Flying, but there is a lot of misinformation being spread around that makes our side look bad. I know it’s an emotionally charged topic.
If Hitler rescues a dog he’s still a bad person. But it doesn’t help to mythologize characters through false narratives because it empowers them even further. Just my opinion. I’m not on team Kyle and I’m not a fascist (sad I have to state this last tag on Lemmy in case I get misconstrued).
And yet no one was making that argument.
Everyone is talking past each other in this thread. I understand, it’s an emotionally charged topic.
Hey bud… how about you read this .
Actions speak louder than words, especially when those words are a teen talking big to his friends.
The fact is, nothing he did in Kenosha supports the claim that he wanted to kill anyone, period, and everything he did directly contradicts it. He showed zero aggression toward anyone, and his first response to aggression toward him was to RUN AWAY, every single time. Bottom line, none of the people who got shot would have gotten shot if they had let him run away.
ROFL…. “locker room talk” right? You apologists are fucking hilarious. Where I come from (America) this is called “Premeditated Murder.” And in any courtroom with an unbiased judge, he’d have been convicted on that alone.
‘You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he never showed aggression toward anyone, and his first response to unprovoked aggression toward him, all three times, was to run away’
lol
You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he said this:
lol indeed.
I like how they’re saying he never showed aggression to anyone despite showing up with a fucking rifle.
Actions speak louder than words. He was around tons of looters (that’s what the people he was talking about were doing, when he said that) that day. Why didn’t he ‘shoot rounds’ at any of them, if that was his plan? He had all the opportunity in the world.
That’s the question people making this argument can’t answer honestly, because the only honest answer is that what he did directly contradicts what he said.
Arguing that he planned to do something that he literally didn’t do, despite myriad opportunities, is just silly.
Actions speak louder.
I think the ‘left’ should also step up their game and open carry, if they want to be taken more seriously by:
…but… we must not forget what may follow if they do, planning is also really important as well as having legal counsel and video footage of all interactions:
!bpp@lemmy.world
[1] Killing in the Name - Rage Against the Machine
I think if leftists started open carrying at protests we would either see way less harassment by police or literal civil war.
We’d see gun control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Being a bit more forceful and agressive, in showing open carry, so that we may have a better chance of changing our systematicly broken system, will not be an easy feat to accomplish.
Great point, you are correct, the Black Panther Party also ran into that problem, where they had shoot outs with the police.
It would need a bit of planning, knowledge of the local laws, and live filming/documenting interactions with any law enforcement/groups/people.
Dude READ THIS and delete your dumb shit.
Actions speak louder than words, especially when those words are a teen talking big to his friends.
The fact is, nothing he did in Kenosha supports the claim that he wanted to kill anyone, period, and everything he did directly contradicts it. He showed zero aggression toward anyone, and his first response to aggression toward him was to RUN AWAY, every single time. Bottom line, none of the people who got shot would have gotten shot if they had let him run away.
Ahh… we’re doing the copypasta now?
Okay:
ROFL…. “locker room talk” right? You apologists are fucking hilarious. Where I come from- (America) this is called “Premeditated Murder.” And in any courtroom with an unbiased judge, he’d have been convicted on that alone.
‘You can tell he planned to kill someone by the fact that he never showed aggression toward anyone, and his first response to unprovoked aggression toward him, all three times, was to run away’
lol
Again with the copypasta?
Did Kyle run away or not every time he was chased?
That’s entirely irrelevant to the fact that he brought a gun with the intent to kill people after he said that was exactly what he was going to do.
I get what you’re trying to do, but… Some rings don’t need a voice of reason.
Dude is a murderer. End of story.
Literally not a fact. Even as just a hypothesis that that was his motive, every single bit of evidence (all the facts we have about what he did in Kenosha that day) contradicts the notion that he wanted to/intended to/planned to kill anyone. He literally did everything he could to avoid using his weapon, short of literally forfeiting his life to homicidal maniacs.
That’s the reality.
I’m sorry you’re getting downvoted. I wish our side (I’m a full on leftie and I don’t like conservatives) did a better job of countering arguments instead of using emotionally charged language in debates and spreading misinformation. The whole trial is recorded and all the transcripts are available.
I wish Kyle had not shown up with a rifle to a charged and tense event, especially after what happened in Minneapolis in the prior weeks. There really isn’t an excuse for a 17 year old to show up with an AR-15 to such a situation, even if it was perfectly legal. Yes, he bad better trigger impulse control than 99% of police officers, but a 17 year old should never be allowed in the first place. My argument is not a legal one, but an ethical one.
To me the fault lies in our society:
I could keep going but I’ll stop.
Just to reiterate for Lemmy user base: I’m not on team Kyle; I’m on team facts and stop gun proliferation.