• ultrachez@lemmy.world
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    That will never happen because EU has already failed multiple times.

    The 2008 recession and accompanying austerity was the first. This austerity is directly responsible for the rise of far right in EU.

    The second were the multiple economic crisises from EU countries like Greece, etc.

    The third was Brexit.

    The fourth was China dumping all its steel.

    The fifth was it failure to hold Poland and Hungry accountable for democratic backsliding, which continues to this day.

    The sixth was the abysmal handling of refugee crisis.

    The seventh was Ukraine.

    The list goes on.

    EU will never work because majority of EU countries are center right (including neo liberal) or far right. As such regular EU citizens have little to no faith in the system and do not want to die for EU oligarchs

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      It’s a little unfair to blame the EU for the credit crunch. Most of that was due to the Americans. Likewise, Brexit was a democratic action. The British wanted Brexit at the time.

      The UK under the conservatives was the member state that applied the strongest austerity measures and it has been subsequently shown to be a mistake economically but it was a great excuse to advance their agenda.

      Old and ignorant people voting against their own interests, populists and first past the post are the current villains. The British ruling class are all educated in the same few schools on the same topics, e.g. the classics and liberal arts. They have created a fetish out of business, home ownership and cars. The rational humanist does not have a place in this society. At least the EU is defending human rights and basing it’s decisions more firmly on enlightenment values.

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      That’s basically a “You stubbed a toe hence you failed” tribalist take, cleary spinned along Russian Propaganda lines.

      The spin is painfully obvious by the very first example being the 2008 recession, which was a problem for the whole World hence by your definition the whole World failed. The rest is just a mix of consequence of the former (Greece crisis, Brexit), not an EU thing (China steel dumping, Russian invasion of Ukraine), outdated-info/lies (Poland is no longer ruled by the Far-Right), your pure opinion (that there was an actual crisis with refugees and the quality if its handling).

      You claim the “The EU will never work” even whilst it keeps on working and has worked for decades: you’re fantasising.

      That shit is pure “you have to give up and die (and let us get our fill from whatever is left)” anti-EU propaganda straight out of Moscow.

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      The fourth was China dumping all its steel.

      You had me in six of these, but how on earth does the EU suffer from cheap steel? For all the sins of the member states and their collaborative governing efforts, I’ve yet to see “too much industrial development with low-cost raw materials” on the list.

      EU will never work because majority of EU countries are center right (including neo liberal) or far right.

      I could see a future in which the white supremacist strains within the EU create an ideological confederacy through which a unified nationalist identity forms. Simply hating Africa, Arabia, and East Asia might be enough to galvanize large coalitions of Europeans together. But what are they unifying into, if not a bitter, hostile, solipsistic, rump?

      The EU without an eye towards free Mediterranean trade and travel is just a suicide pact. Might as well go full Hermit Kingdom, rebuild the Iron Curtain, and stop pretending to matter globally,.