• hottari@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Not sure relying on podman alone as a security tool might be advisable. Podman is a container technology first, security is not the main goal.

    Read more about rootless docker here.

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      1 year ago

      I never said I was relying on it alone. Not sure why you think that.

      That’s a great link. Thank you for sharing. It’s good that docker supports this functionality now.

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        1 year ago

        I never said I was relying on it alone. Not sure why you think that.

        …all my services aren’t running as root.

        If it turns out a vulnerability is discovered in lemmy tomorrow that allows people to access my server through my lemmy container, the attacker will only have access to a dummy account that hosts my containers.

        This was your argument according to you for why you think podman is more secure (than docker I presume). Seemed to imply rootless podman will save you from an attacker. I was simply disproving the flawed notion.

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          I think you’re interpreting too much. Security is about layers and making it harder for attackers, and that’s exactly what using a non-root user does.

          In that scenario, the attacker needs to find and exploit another vulnerability to gain root access, which takes time - time which the attacker might not be willing to spend and time which you can use to respond.

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            1 year ago

            You don’t know enough about security to lecture me. The kernel has before/continues to suffer(ed) from successful root shell exploits, particularly in this case via unprivileged userns. Something podman or even rootless docker can’t do anything about.

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              Funny how you claim to know so much about security but can’t even seem to comprehend my comment. I know root shell exploits exist, that’s why I wrote that it takes additional time to get root access, not that it’s impossible. And that’s still a security improvement because it’s an additional hurdle for the adversary.

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                1 year ago

                the person you are replying to either lacks comprehension or maybe just wants to be argumentative and doesn’t want to comprehend.

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                1 year ago

                Containers cannot be viewed as security tools. They suffer from poor isolation and inadequate and some cases non-existent sandboxing. All these are proven security essentials. You would know about them if you knew anything about (defensive) security!

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                  1 year ago

                  Once again, you’re going off on an unrelated tangent. If you don’t want to listen, I can’t help you. We’re done here.