I might sound like a centrist, but so what. Ukraine has a problem with corruption, stood with nazi during WW2, and might still have problem with neo-nazi today.
But how is that a reason for a full scale invasion by Russia, especially considering that Russia also has problem with corruption and neo-nazi.
Ukraine did not exist during WW2, it could not have stood with Nazis. While some of the people probably did, so did some of everyone else. We had Americans, Brits, French, Poles and even some Russians who were traitors.
The fact that this Russian propaganda that Ukraine is somehow Nazi actually spreads is sad…
We had Americans, Brits, French, Poles and even some Russians who were traitors.
Not just that but there were also Nazi-like parties in most of the other countries at the time. Germany was mostly unique in that they came to power but it is not as if that type of political movement didn’t exist elsewhere in the 1930s.
That is. It’s been blaring from their media for a solid year now, and is the stated casus belli of their invasion. It is 100% Russian-produced misinformation, leveraging the fact that people don’t know anything about Ukrainian history to attack them with false stories.
It’s an old trick. The Nazis tried to convince the world Poles were stupid and needed to be ruled by overlords, by misrepresenting and twisting stories with their propaganda. Poles never actually charged tanks with their cavalry, there are no records of that ever happening, from Nazi or Polish sources.
So, Ukraine didn’t invite dude to Canadian Parliament. People think they did, even though that’s not really even feasible. Where do you think that unnatural idea most likely came from?
Russian propaganda exists. It’s out there. People listen to it sometimes.
It’d be hard for Ukraine to invite anyone to the Canadian Parliament when Ukraine is not part of the Canadian Parliament. They’re the invitee, not the inviter.
Like, I can’t just invite myself into your house, that’s just not how invitation works.
So I looked into it more. At first I thought that the Nazi was Zelenski’s +1 and it was Zelenski who didn’t know who he was, but it turns out the Nazi was invited by the speaker of Canada’s House of Commons as a fighter of the First Ukrainian Division, not knowing that the division was a volunteer Nazi unit
Obviously it’s not, but he’s speaking in the context of Ukraine’s EU candidacy, not whether the war is justified. I do also think that we shouldn’t give EU membership to Ukraine before they fully got their act together on topics like corruption and fulfill all criteria of membership. They’re working towards that but it’ll take many years. Giving them some kind of fast track, or acting like they could join in 2-3 years, is IMO a terrible idea.
I might sound like a centrist, but so what. Ukraine has a problem with corruption, stood with nazi during WW2, and might still have problem with neo-nazi today.
But how is that a reason for a full scale invasion by Russia, especially considering that Russia also has problem with corruption and neo-nazi.
Ukraine did not exist during WW2, it could not have stood with Nazis. While some of the people probably did, so did some of everyone else. We had Americans, Brits, French, Poles and even some Russians who were traitors.
The fact that this Russian propaganda that Ukraine is somehow Nazi actually spreads is sad…
Not just that but there were also Nazi-like parties in most of the other countries at the time. Germany was mostly unique in that they came to power but it is not as if that type of political movement didn’t exist elsewhere in the 1930s.
The British monarchy were very close to the Nazis
https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/07/traitor-king-edward-viii-interview
Russia didn’t invite an SS volunteer to the Canadian Parliament.
… and Ukraine did?
No, but it sure wasn’t Russia either. Not everything that makes Ukraine look bad is Russian propaganda.
That is. It’s been blaring from their media for a solid year now, and is the stated casus belli of their invasion. It is 100% Russian-produced misinformation, leveraging the fact that people don’t know anything about Ukrainian history to attack them with false stories.
It’s an old trick. The Nazis tried to convince the world Poles were stupid and needed to be ruled by overlords, by misrepresenting and twisting stories with their propaganda. Poles never actually charged tanks with their cavalry, there are no records of that ever happening, from Nazi or Polish sources.
So, Ukraine didn’t invite dude to Canadian Parliament. People think they did, even though that’s not really even feasible. Where do you think that unnatural idea most likely came from?
Russian propaganda exists. It’s out there. People listen to it sometimes.
Who thinks they did? Everything I heard was people making fun of Canadians, because it’s their fuckup.
Unknowingly, yes
It’d be hard for Ukraine to invite anyone to the Canadian Parliament when Ukraine is not part of the Canadian Parliament. They’re the invitee, not the inviter.
Like, I can’t just invite myself into your house, that’s just not how invitation works.
So I looked into it more. At first I thought that the Nazi was Zelenski’s +1 and it was Zelenski who didn’t know who he was, but it turns out the Nazi was invited by the speaker of Canada’s House of Commons as a fighter of the First Ukrainian Division, not knowing that the division was a volunteer Nazi unit
Obviously it’s not, but he’s speaking in the context of Ukraine’s EU candidacy, not whether the war is justified. I do also think that we shouldn’t give EU membership to Ukraine before they fully got their act together on topics like corruption and fulfill all criteria of membership. They’re working towards that but it’ll take many years. Giving them some kind of fast track, or acting like they could join in 2-3 years, is IMO a terrible idea.