An escalating series of clashes in the South China Sea between the Philippines and China could draw the U.S., which has a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, into the conflict.

A 60 Minutes crew got a close look at the tense situation when traveling on a Philippine Coast Guard ship that was rammed by the Chinese Coast Guard.

China has repeatedly rammed Philippine ships and blasted them with water cannons over the last two years. There are ongoing conversations between Washington and Manila about which scenarios would trigger U.S. involvement, Philippine Secretary of National Defense Gilberto Teodoro said in an interview.

“I really don’t know the end state,” Teodoro said. “All I know is that we cannot let them get away with what they’re doing.”

China as “the proverbial schoolyard bully”

China claims sovereignty over almost all of the South China Sea, through which more than $3 trillion in goods flow annually. But in 2016, an international tribunal at the Hague ruled the Philippines has exclusive economic rights in a 200-mile zone that includes the area where the ship with the 60 Minutes team on board got rammed.

China does not recognize the international tribunal’s ruling.

    • Maalus@lemmy.world
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      At that point just launch a missile at them.

      This is a stupid game of chicken. China is bullying their way into what they want hoping they’ll get it. Once you use explosives, they’ll use explosives. That’s why right now it is ramming and water cannons.

      The annoying part is the US talking about “what constitutes defense and needs US involvement” when it already is way past that point.

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        If they can assert their ownership of the SCS now, they can hold that even as other nations get stronger.

        But if they can’t nail it down now, they’ve lost it forever and will always be a regional power, constrained by maritime neighbors.

        Xi is apparently a gambler, and not a good one.

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          I’m aware…but it’s still not the reason they are attempting to expand their territorial waters…

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              It’s about expanding their ability to project naval power in general, but more specifically, trying to to build effective defensive counters against potential future naval blockades and maritime containment e.g. Island Chain Strategy

              That’s oversimplified, and there are other aspects to it, including domestic political cultural ones, but naval power and national security is the most significant.

              I am not taking any position on justification, legal standing, or strategic prudence for this strategy.

              There are any number of white papers, from both Chinese and American security organizations/think-tanks, that will cover the subject in much greater depth if you’re interested.

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                This does fail to mention the huge oil and gas reserves in the area that China is trying to capitalise on.

                Resources are a bigger driver than military showmanship.

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                  Are you saying that national security strategies, and war in general, didn’t appear in this world until capitalism emerged?

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                I’ve been saying for over a year that a much easier, and less politically suicidal, way for Xi to beat the island chain defense is to take back the Vladivostok oblast. It was part of China not even 150 years ago, there is a significant percentage, possibly even a plurality, of Han descended people, and it’s not like Russia is gonna have the army to stop a special military operation, or any allies to get upset about it.

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                  Given Putin’s theory that nations comprise a set of territory they’ve historically held–Ukraine and Alaska being “rightfully” Russia’s–he surely wouldn’t object to China taking this part, right? And Kaliningrad goes back to Germany? He’ll be good with all that, right?

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    china claims contested area and rams opposers with their ships. EVIL. Israel claims contested area and genocides anyone who opposes. Good guys actually!

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      I don’t think “Israel does bad things, therefore China doesn’t” is very a rational position…

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        did i say that? Use your votes properly and admit that if you call what china does bad then you MUST ALSO CALL OUT OTHER EVILS!

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          Do you think we don’t talk about Israeli genocide here?

          Because we do. Constantly.

          Also, what votes?

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            this platform is ENTIRELY based on votes! i never said china wasnt bad! you just put text in my keyboard. your arguments are fake and you should feel bad about that!

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              What votes? Are you talking about upvoting and downvoting comments? Why do you give a shit about fake internet points?

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                that is literally the basis to this platform. if you dont use them properly then you are a problem here as you enshitten the service. LEARN TO USE THE PLATFORM YOU ARE USING!

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                  No it isn’t. The basis of this platform is being federated forums. Up and downvotes mean absolutely nothing. If every person on every lemmy server downvoted this comment, it wouldn’t change a thing. Lemmy doesn’t even hide massively downvoted comments like Reddit does.

                  And considering I’m a moderator in this community, I’d say that being so uncivil to me (against community rules) would be not learning how to use this platform.

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          You’re about to get called out, then.

          Stop being yourself. It’s distasteful and rude.

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    The Phillipines needs to put down a few sea mines with Phillipine flags on top. Nobody would be stupid enough to run those over.