Wow, The comments here are an absolute shitshow.
Be as upset as you want with Obama or Biden. But remember, neither of them are on the table for this next election cycle.
Wow, The comments here are an absolute shitshow.
Look at the guy who submitted the article. It was 100% a call to arms for tankies, accelerationists, and other bad actors.
But NPR is the one who actually wrote the article. So wouldn’t the blame be on them? OP didn’t write it, he just posted it.
Now you’re using this line for posts that aren’t even yours? This is one tired line.
What I said was accurate. Thanks!
First it was “if you don’t vote for me you’re not Black”, which is incredibly racist.
Now, “it’s shut up and vote for the person we tell you to vote for”.
Amazing.
Would they do this with women or would they offer something by way of policy promises?
That’s a shit take on the fact that he was speaking about misogyny and you interpreted it as marching orders and even confused who said what is hilarious here.
Do better.
Dismissing the issue at hand as simply misogyny is outright lazy or incredibly disingenuous. The messaging from the Democratic party towards Black males has been woeful for many years, including (somewhat ironically) during the Obama era - “a rising tide lifts all boats”, orly?
Other groups are offered policy change. Black men are told to “shut up and vote”, or else.
I suggest you follow your own advice and “do better”, your response gives the impression of one without a clue.
No one is buying the bullshit you’re selling.
Maybe you should direct your comment to the political party in question.
What? There have been significantly more policy and bill proposals from the Democratic party targeting, among others, black men than from the Republican party (at least, in a positive way). This is kind of a wild assertion. Most of the street interviews and the like I’ve seen have basically boiled down to misogyny.
Lazy analysis to dismiss the mild shift to the GOP as ‘misogyny’, during the Obama era the Dems lost some Black male support. Many of the issues that caused such have still not been addressed. The street interviews are not the whole picture. Yours is the view of one who is not Black and does not engage with Black men on any meaningful level. Sadly, this is the norm for most non-Blacks in NA and why it is so easy to fill the gaps of ignorance that ‘others’ have about Black people with absolute nonsense or hateful conjecture. It
Roland Martin, a Democrat discusses the issue re the Dems: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9K-6DaoFZc&t=120s&pp=2AF4kAIB
shut up and vote.
Or else what? Obama going to drone strike them?
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The guy who offered first time home buyers 8k? Lol.
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Look at all the graphs for the other races linked on that page. They all follow the same curve. Homeownership across the board followed that curve, not just for black Americans. You have an obvious agenda.
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It is to your claim that he specifically failed black americans.
And it’s also your move to prove that Obamas policies were actually the issue, because similar things happened all over the world, and a government can only do so much.
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No, you didn’t say “specifically”, you just completely imply it if you word it like that. Stop playing wordgames please…
2008 was bad for all Americans.
This is a classic “blame the Democrats for the mess created by Republicans” right wing tactic. Republicans shit their diapers, then get voted out, then immediately start complaining that it smells awful and why would the Democrats do this
What policies of Barack Obama do you think contributed to this?
Do you believe the president actually has a role in determining whether black people can achieve home ownership?
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mandate
Aka you have no response
Observe the slow, uninterrupted decline that starts in 2004
Ah, yes! 2004! A truly defining year for the Obama presidency when…
checks notes
…he was still the junior Senator from Illinois. Huh…
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Finally some terms I can understand
NPR - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
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MBFC: Left-Center - Credibility: High - Factual Reporting: High - United States of America
Wikipedia about this sourceSearch topics on Ground.News
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/10/g-s1-27633/barack-obama-kamala-harris-black-men-pennsylvania
why wont the black men?
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
The majority of white women always vote Republican
Not sure when that was true but it is not true now
You’re kidding, right? LMAO
White women are not a swing voting bloc. In the past 18 presidential elections, they have repeatedly voted for the Republican candidate, breaking only for Lyndon B. Johnson and for Bill Clinton’s second term. As political scientist Jane Junn wrote in 2016, “The elephant in the room is white and female, and she has been standing there since 1952.”
Downvoting me for being correct gets tiresome. But this is precisely how racist this country is. Even if there has been some small shift towards Dems, ya’ll would be way better off figuring out how to convert your sisters rather than worrying about a tiny number of Black Republicans.
White Democrats just prefer to blame us, like you always do. ✌🏾
Do you have a source? That’s an opinion without a single source for their claims.
When I look for sources, they all dispute your claim.
A study about this topic: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
Example from the exit polls 2016: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631224/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-gender/
Here’s a times article disputing your claim:
I’m sorry are you asking about white women voting for Republicans? Did you look at your first link? I suspect you’re conflating “women” with “white women”.
That conflation is really what I’m talking about when I mention the racism of this country. It honestly was not meant to be pointed directly at the people here, I mean that stories abound about how “women” are solidly Democratic as a way to hide that the majority of white women are Republicans.
Edit: But if you’re quibbling that 47% is not a majority when 42% voted for Democrats, you’re just wasting time. If only white women voted, Republicans would win.
I suppose the whole white supremacy thing shouldn’t surprise me, but still, I did not know this. Thanks for being such a firebrand about it here, I guess, haha.
I don’t think you actually read those articles
According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published in August by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton. That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than the overall electorate
I read those, and they made me confident enough to refute this statement:
The majority of white women always vote Republican and that’s just fine. 12% of Black men lean Republican and we get article after article about what’s wrong with us.
I picked the most extreme case in his favour on purpose, quite the opposite of you that picked the worst of my three sources for my case…
2020 shows a very different picture.
https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-n1247746
Edit: A little bonus
LOL! Did you even read that link? Good God, man, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Meanwhile, white women seem to have maintained or slightly increased their level of support for Trump compared to 2016, with some 55 percent of them voting for Trump this election cycle and 43 percent voting for Biden according to early exit polls.
Why do you keep lying? I thought it was an accident, but you’ve got your head stuck in the ground.
You understand that nonwhite women exist, right?
Your article is precisely what I’m talking about: taking great pains NOT to say how the majority of white women voted Republican.
While Biden made gains among college-educated, white women voters who supported him in greater numbers than they did Hillary Clinton four years ago, Black women voters carried him over the finish line.
None of those articles show white women voting blue. The first link shows them voting for Trump, the second one is for all women so the statistic is irrelevant, and the third article still says more white women voted for trump than Clinton…
More white woman voting for trump doesn’t prove that the majority always votes for republicans, which I further disproved down below.
47% isn’t the majority of woman, and that’s the most extreme example I could find.
Sure, I could’ve picked a year with better numbers, but that seemed disingenuous, and why would I need to do that if even the spell of trump doesn’t support the claim he made.
8% didn’t answer and were excluded, why would you automatically assumehalf of them voted for trump?
Yes everything is zero sum. if I dispute you, I’m racist. Great way to have a fucking conversation. What I disputed had nothing to do with your race in any fucking way. Bye.
FYI I went back and actually downvoted you just because you are intent on being like this instead of just correcting me if I’m wrong.
Obviously I’m the problem for pointing out WHY you’re so incorrect. There really is no way to sugarcoat it enough for you to do any sort of introspection. Once you cool down a bit from how mean I am, maybe you should think about why you thought White women voted for Democrats.
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Lol. You mean those three bogus articles I already replied to and don’t say what he says it does? 🤡
How about we concentrate on both things?
However, this is one of the only articles I’ve seen on it, I don’t think there’s a LOT of focus on it, vs. all the many many posts/articles calling out white MAGAts. It’s still possible to discuss both things.
Saying that this means everyone downvoting you is racist and all the white democrats are blaming blacks for everything “like always” is beyond disingenuous.
You’re right. Left out one piece though. This commenter is actually saying here that Obama is a huge racist too.
Nah, don’t twist my words. Obama’s a war criminal, not a racist.
I’m not twisting anything. This article is about a thing Obama said, which you’re declaring as racist. You told me I was racist for agreeing with the article, which by the way I literally never did. I just disputed your separate claim. Not every issue is a binary choice between two positions and this is a perfect example of that fallacy.
You’re very funny!
And of course if you haven’t seen other articles that means they don’t exist.
One might note that I said this country is racist. I called the people down voting me tiresome. The first is an obvious fact. The second is an understandable opinion.
I don’t suppose you remember California Prop 8. But feel free to get your feelings hurt because I mentioned racism rather than actually trying to understand what I said.
OK, are you claiming that there are more articles blaming and calling out black republicans than those calling out white MAGAts?
No, I’m pointing out the difference and quantity of articles blaming and calling out Black men than one’s exploring why so many white women, specifically, vote for Republicans. Especially considering how much larger their vote is than ours.
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I downvoted you and it’s because blanket statements are ignorant. And your entire point is basically “some equals all!”
What vile group of loathed people also do this to support their argument?
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Right. I’ve read through this discussion. They brought receipts. You have nothing. And it seems everyone agrees.
So-
You seem to be the only one here that supports the idea that you’re “informed.”
And this snarky “you’re dumb so I’ll use smaller words bullshit” just sank any chances you had of ever being taken seriously future discussions.
Wait…you mean the “receipts” that prove my point? Ok.
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What an odd question. As usual, Democrats won with a diverse voting bloc because the majority of white people voted for Republicans.
It took me about 20 seconds to find that 39% of white women voted for Obama. Why didn’t you research that before commenting?
I really am shocked that “White women vote for Republicans” is somehow surprising, but that drives home the point I’ve been making this whole time.
And once again, the majority of white women vote Republican.
Since we’re being dickheads and singling out groups to blame, here you go. Almost 31% of black men voted for an open racist.
Which is not even 20 points better than white women, which by the way did not “mostly” vote Trump:
You need to learn to read graphs, bud. Whatever that is, it’s not what you’re claiming it is.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
53% of white women voted for Trump.
21% of Black men.
Pie charts are hard to fuck up. 49% vs 31% at the time I posted that. Even if your numbers were right that removes any moral high ground you would have. Yeah dude newsflash, people are selfish. But apparently people are also extremely self defeating. Proof is that they vote as a minority for the proud racist. I am sure that quite a few of these black men voted for trump because they too are racist against their own kind.
Oh yes you told me so and what a fucking nice thing to do right now. Shall I dig up numbers on black men?
Because only a fucking moron votes for the party that wants to enslave them.
Lmfao you’re black and vote republican? US politics is fucking hilarious, honestly - thanks for the shit show.
Jesus Christ. Read whatever it was one more time, buddy.
Poke the bear, get bit
