Yeah sure. Find something you can convince everyone is evil enough to justify your exerting control over communications. Next will be travel and business restrictions. Who’s the fuckin Nazi now?
That’s the thing with slippery slopes - when to stop.
…except there’s a simple answer - when it gets bad.
Personally, I think fucking with Nazis is a good thing, and I’d need you to explain how banning the Nazi salute will necessarily lead to travel and business restrictions, you conspiracist crank.
You worried that Nazis doing their little taboo gang signs are gonna account to some kind of real problem? Is there any problem they could conceivably cause that’s worse than a government authorizing force in response to a communication? Y’all got too much bloodthirst for building a society that doesn’t devolve into fascism.
The very existence of Nazis is a problem - their core axiomatic value is genocide. Given the chance, that’s exactly what they’ll do, so yeah - it gets plenty worse than outlawing Nazi salutes, which communicate what? I’m a Nazi, and I’m here to let the Jews, Slavs, Black people, Roma, socialists, communists, and the brooooad gamut of people I consider sexual deviants to know I want them dead.? Why do you want that protected?
I’m bloodthirsty because I’m happy a signal of genocidal intent is being banned? OK. Fuck me for not liking genocidal fascists, I guess.
They’re “national socialists” rather than communists, but no - they have no interest in worker enfranchisement or decommodification.
They’re socialists in the same way the DPRK is democratic - in name only. Funny given how linguistically prescriptive they are about things like gender.
Now hold on… If there’s no existing Nazi government and the so called Nazis say they believe in being national socialists, how can you say that it’s just a front? Literally all there is to represent them anymore is their talk. You can’t say it’s actually some other form of government because it’s not actually put into motion anywhere.
I’m gonna go find out more about what they’re claiming to be and then I wanna hear counter arguments to that specifically.
Historically, Nazis did nothing to enfranchise workers - quite the opposite. This trend continues in the stated goals and rhetoric of modern Nazis. I’m not sure why they would need to be in power right now to assess this. If this were true, we’d never know what an opposition government stood for.
Tom Sewell and his merry band of insecure, genocidal incels aren’t out picketing for worker enfranchisement - they’re goose stepping around, shouting “white power” at Australia day rallies, using intimidation tactics at trans events, assaulting journalists and hikers, and committing armed robbery, assault with a weapon and afray while on bail. When they’re so focused on shouting about the minorities they want to kill, while saying and doing nothing about worker enfranchisement, while praising a totalitarian government, I’m not sure why you’re finding this difficult to parse.
Theyr’e already a fucking problem. A very big one. A very real one. You’re sitting there going “oh but let them speak let them speak” when they’re literally marching through the fucking streets, then getting on trains and interrogating passengers as to whether or not they’re jewish, WE ARE AT THE POINT OF ACTION.
These aren’t singular events. This is a pattern. And we’re not fucking having it.
Are you the kind of dopey free speech absolutist that believes we should also protect the right to shout fire in a crowded theater, harass people into suicide or make death threats? If not, why not?
Nope, speech belongs in it’s proper forum. That said, I’m not really sure what to do in the case of social media. It’s privately owned by clearly being used as a tool of suppression.
What’s the proper forum for “I intend to commit a series of genocides as soon as I can, and will use whatever force I can muster to threaten people I don’t like and suppress their speech by doing things like showing force at events featuring trans people.”?
I think you’ve lost sight of the point you’re trying to make… Feel free to take another run at it though.
Personally, I think genocide is bad, Nazis are scum, and that the right to be tolerated is a social contract that Nazis disqualified themselves from with theory genocidal intentions. Silencing Nazis, and stopping them from consolidating power and acting out their genocidal intent protects free speech and innocent lives.
Yeah sure. Find something you can convince everyone is evil enough to justify your exerting control over communications. Next will be travel and business restrictions. Who’s the fuckin Nazi now?
That’s the thing with slippery slopes - when to stop.
…except there’s a simple answer - when it gets bad.
Personally, I think fucking with Nazis is a good thing, and I’d need you to explain how banning the Nazi salute will necessarily lead to travel and business restrictions, you conspiracist crank.
You worried that Nazis doing their little taboo gang signs are gonna account to some kind of real problem? Is there any problem they could conceivably cause that’s worse than a government authorizing force in response to a communication? Y’all got too much bloodthirst for building a society that doesn’t devolve into fascism.
The very existence of Nazis is a problem - their core axiomatic value is genocide. Given the chance, that’s exactly what they’ll do, so yeah - it gets plenty worse than outlawing Nazi salutes, which communicate what? I’m a Nazi, and I’m here to let the Jews, Slavs, Black people, Roma, socialists, communists, and the brooooad gamut of people I consider sexual deviants to know I want them dead.? Why do you want that protected?
I’m bloodthirsty because I’m happy a signal of genocidal intent is being banned? OK. Fuck me for not liking genocidal fascists, I guess.
You ever heard about the paradox of tolerance?
Isn’t their core axiom some kind of communism government structure?
They’re “national socialists” rather than communists, but no - they have no interest in worker enfranchisement or decommodification.
They’re socialists in the same way the DPRK is democratic - in name only. Funny given how linguistically prescriptive they are about things like gender.
Now hold on… If there’s no existing Nazi government and the so called Nazis say they believe in being national socialists, how can you say that it’s just a front? Literally all there is to represent them anymore is their talk. You can’t say it’s actually some other form of government because it’s not actually put into motion anywhere.
I’m gonna go find out more about what they’re claiming to be and then I wanna hear counter arguments to that specifically.
Note: genocide bad.
Historically, Nazis did nothing to enfranchise workers - quite the opposite. This trend continues in the stated goals and rhetoric of modern Nazis. I’m not sure why they would need to be in power right now to assess this. If this were true, we’d never know what an opposition government stood for.
Tom Sewell and his merry band of insecure, genocidal incels aren’t out picketing for worker enfranchisement - they’re goose stepping around, shouting “white power” at Australia day rallies, using intimidation tactics at trans events, assaulting journalists and hikers, and committing armed robbery, assault with a weapon and afray while on bail. When they’re so focused on shouting about the minorities they want to kill, while saying and doing nothing about worker enfranchisement, while praising a totalitarian government, I’m not sure why you’re finding this difficult to parse.
You say it like it’s a bad thing, but yes - unironically and unapologetically.
Theyr’e already a fucking problem. A very big one. A very real one. You’re sitting there going “oh but let them speak let them speak” when they’re literally marching through the fucking streets, then getting on trains and interrogating passengers as to whether or not they’re jewish, WE ARE AT THE POINT OF ACTION.
These aren’t singular events. This is a pattern. And we’re not fucking having it.
Police do that too.
what is the point of this comment?
…It’s still the neo nazis
I’m going with … The nazis giving Nazi salutes.
The real salute is instituting Nazi means of controlling your population.
Are you the kind of dopey free speech absolutist that believes we should also protect the right to shout fire in a crowded theater, harass people into suicide or make death threats? If not, why not?
Nope, speech belongs in it’s proper forum. That said, I’m not really sure what to do in the case of social media. It’s privately owned by clearly being used as a tool of suppression.
What’s the proper forum for “I intend to commit a series of genocides as soon as I can, and will use whatever force I can muster to threaten people I don’t like and suppress their speech by doing things like showing force at events featuring trans people.”?
Well you Intervene with the force and stalking shit obviously. That’s not salutes. Also, nobody is forced to listen to them and follow them.
I think you’ve lost sight of the point you’re trying to make… Feel free to take another run at it though.
Personally, I think genocide is bad, Nazis are scum, and that the right to be tolerated is a social contract that Nazis disqualified themselves from with theory genocidal intentions. Silencing Nazis, and stopping them from consolidating power and acting out their genocidal intent protects free speech and innocent lives.