Does that include school teachers?
They really should be touting this more to get young people out to vote. This is a very clear division among young people who want/deserve relief, and which party is trying to give it and which is doing everything they can to stop it.
This is such an easy win for Democrats and yet…
If I were in charge of any of their campaigning I’d also hammer reproductive rights, weed, and healthcare. Instead it looks like the Dems are going to keep getting cornered on the economy and Israel.
Idk, it feels manipulative to me. All they’ve done here is follow through on existing policy. I have higher standards for being impressed than doing what you’re required to do, even if others before you failed to do so.
Almost feels like you’re saying that if people do the exact job you put them there to do, that’s not good enough for them to keep their jobs.
It is, of course. So they get my vote.
Uh, no. That’s pretty clearly not what I’m saying.
I’m saying I expect my government to do more than simply follow through on 17 year old laws and pretend like that’s some amazing achievement. And student loans in particular have been abysmally handled by Biden, both in his Senate career and his failed promises to the populace when running for president.
“But the Supreme Court”: yes, but they were a known obstacle and he still chose to delay any attempt for two years in order to try to double dip, which still ultimately failed. He knowingly left the people with crushing student loan debt to suffer while waiting for a politically expedient time to even try. And he failed anyway, so why wait?
Well we’ve got two options. Vote for them or not. Which would you recommend people do?
Vote, but don’t be complacent. The Democrats do not adequately work for the needs of the people.
Donate or volunteer for local progressives during the primaries, fight like hell to make your government fight for you. And do not accept mediocrity as a victory.
Proving that you can and do follow through on existing policy is still a good thing to do.
Sure, but that’s the bare minimum. That’s not going to inspire apathetic voters. Claiming credit for a Democratic Congress / George W Bush admin era piece of legislation is not very impressive.
Especially since the Democrats passed it with a 49+2 / 49 majority in the Senate (and filibustering still very much a thing), so it’s a stark contrast to all the stuff they claimed wasn’t possible during the Biden admin because they simply didn’t have a strong enough majority in the Senate even without a Republican president. I know times are different now, but it kind of paints a circle around the lack of legislative backbone this administration has had.
I don’t really care. I don’t necessarily agree, but even if I did, I don’t care at this point.
Well… I’m responding to you saying they should use this to get young people to vote. I’m saying that’s not a good idea because it’s manipulative and only serves to highlight all the ways they haven’t followed through on student loan debt, instead they keep touting tiny band aids and legislation signed into law by Bush Jr.
If Biden told the supreme court to go fuck themselves and forgave all student loan debt they would care.
This isn’t even a drop in the bucket of the total student loan debt in this country
You’re right, they shouldn’t even talk about it at all unless they can clear 100% of the debt. It’s all or nothing.
Jesus Christ, it’s no wonder Democrats always lose. This is their fickle voting base.
ah yes, biden telling 1/3 of our government (who happen to be mostly trump’s cronies) to fuck themselves can’t end badly
we do need such grand, sweeping changes to help our country, but unfortunately all we can manage are these baby steps, which are still important for progress
Yeah, people decry authoritarianism, then immediately propose authoritarian solutions. Just a “different” authority.
No thanks.
It wouldn’t be the first time we’ve just ignored the supreme court
Cool. Do everyone now.
i meet so many old people under the delusion ‘i suffered, so should you’. its so weird as many will then talk about their church in the next breath.
Yea, I went to a relatively cheap college. Tuition was about 8k a year when I started and 12k when I graduated, this didn’t include living expenses or housing. I worked on average 30 hours a week and full time during the summers. I left with about 20k in loans. I worked and saved while living at my parents home and paid them off in about 3 years. I was lucky to be in a position to do this, all the while making less than 15 an hour.
Then a few years later when there was talk of people getting their debt forgiven, my mother says " that’s not fair, you worked hard to get out of it, they should too." And I stood there in shock, thinking who cares if I worked hard to pay off my loans, it doesn’t mean others should have to. I don’t want others to go through what I sacrificed if they don’t have to.
I didn’t pay a dime (other than living expenses) for my tuition. Fuck everyone who is against debt forgiveness. I worked hard to become a software engineer, but do you think I could have done it while working full time at the same time just to pay tuition? Even if I didn’t work during college, I would have had to live the college quality living for several years before I would have made enough to pay tuition and living.
Education is the single most important thing for a society to progress and everyone to do better, live better, and create better. Anyone against it? Tells you all you need to know. They benefit from an uneducated population, that struggles on low wages for their own personal profit.
“Okay, but does making it easier for them somehow lessen MY accomplishments? Is that how you think? Jesus christ mom.”
Yeah, I worked 60h a week as a full time student to get through school without loans, and no one should have to do that.
old people
it’s ok. you can say boomers
It ain’t just old people either.
stupid people exist in every age group. but it’s to be expected from kids-- not from grown ass adults
This is a program that existed for a very long time.
The problem with it is when it was set up, some idiot put the loan companies in charge. And thru intentional incompetence most people didn’t get forgiveness when they should and the interest kept climbing for years.
Biden had us pay the illegally charged interest rather than fight it.
So we drastically overpaid for forgiveness borrowers should have had long ago.
It’s good they finally got it, but so many more could have been forgiven for the same amount of money if we didn’t pay all that extra interest.
John Oliver did an episode on it a couple months ago, maybe last season?
Its really hard to be supportive and praise someone for finally plugging back in grandmas life support after they purposefully unplugged it to charge their headphones.
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