Posting what I said on this in another thread-
So, this decision is really bad for reasons that go beyond sick workers. It’s really unpopular to mention but COVID isn’t over, it’s not gone. We just normalized the suffering and shunted the most vulnerable into its path. As one of those vulnerables still trying to survive, masking has been an exhausting situation. I mask, I have to, and antimask sentiment makes it hard to operate in a world that already wishes I wouldn’t. Decisions like this cause harm in wider ways. I wrote an email to In-N-Out Owner/President Lynsi Snyder about this in response to this policy. I don’t think she cares what this policy does, but I’m sharing here for others who may want to understand.
I’m writing to ask you to please reverse your recent decision to ban employees from wearing a mask unless medically exempt. This decision shows not only a complete disregard for the health and safety of your employees and customers, as everyone is affected by disease spread, but is also profoundly ableist and lacking an understanding of current (and historic) context. Requiring employees to not only divulge their medical information to their employers but also openly to the public is a mindset rooted in othering people who are disabled or otherwise medically vulnerable. In general, it’s bad when a marginalized group must publicly declare their status as such, but especially now when people are already struggling to survive an ongoing pandemic amidst the hostility of antimask sentiment. This decision furthers that othering and hostility, making those employees into targets. But this decision doesn’t just impact your employees directly, it feeds into that larger cultural antimask sentiment and perpetuates ableism. This lack of understanding of the impact of your decision is a clear message that it’s not just those employees your company does not value, but all disabled and vulnerable people. Please show your abity to learn and understand the impacts of your decision, as well as your disapproval of ableism, and reverse this decision. Further, I urge you to demonstrate actual value for your employees and customers by adapting to our reality and implementing measures to reduce the spread of covid and other pathogens in your restaurants and other workplaces. This can be achieved through simple measures like improving the ventilation and filtration in buildings, improving sick leave policies, and other actions including, yes, masking by employees.
Thank you Xxx
PS This company push to ignore our current reality and new cultural understanding of disease spread is not just callous, it’s boring. Be better.
We just normalized the suffering and shunted the most vulnerable into its path.
That isn’t what happened. We developed highly effective vaccines that keep you from dying and reduce your chance of serious illness and/or long covid. Hospitalizations for COVID have absolutely cratered faster than cases have. Like, the rule they made is fucking stupid, they deserve to eat shit over it, but you don’t have to completely mischaracterize what we did as a society in pushing back against employers being shitty to their employees.
COVID isn’t the only disease passed by aerosolized droplets. The availability of a COVID vaccine is irrelevant.
My feelings are this: if anyone feels like they should wear a mask, I absolutely want them to wear one. Whether that is for their risk from the public, or their risk to the public, if they think it’s needed, it is needed. Err on the side of caution.
Agreed, particularly on the point of want to wear mask, do so. Let’s take back what freedom means. Also, I work in vaccine development, primarily focused on respiratory diseases for oh these short 20 years. We all get all the recommended vaccines because we understand what that means. About 30% of us still wear masks, and are always allowed to join meetings online instead of in person.
CDC stopped reporting on covid in May. More people are dying from clogged arteries than covid right now.
Your being downvoted… but if we were actually worried about everyone’s health, we’d shut down all fast food and ban sugary sodas. Health only matters when it doesn’t affect the $$$ flow of the rich.
They’re being downvoted because it’s not a good comparison that’s relevant to this topic, it’s a distraction and a tired, oft repeated one to boot. Poor diet is not a communicable airborne disease.
Everyone here is getting their panties in a bunch about protecting people from covid when i could die just as easily from the flu. Nobody is making a case about wearing a mask because of the flu though, its about covid. Why are you guys trying to force this.
I don’t think you, or anyone regardless of perceived health, should die to flu either. Again, why do you want a society in which your life has no value?
And? People get sick from other airborne illnesses too, no person or company should ever be able to prevent someone from doing something that protects their body from injury. Banning masks, bathroom breaks, water breaks, etc, it’s all the same shit fucking sandwhich
Weird how nobody gave a shit about that before… hell nobody gives a shit about that now. I can count the number of people ive seen this month wearing a mask with 1 hand. I see hundreds of people a day and the only people that ive seen wearing masks wear it under their chin anyways. Tired of all this virtue signaling, nobody fucking cares
Yea, no one cares about disabled and vulnerable lives. That’s the point, that’s what we’re trying to convey. Thanks for clarifying for yourself.
Yes, nobody cares about disabled and vulnerables lives. So much that the only people that care are internet kids who say to boycott a place they probably dont even go to.
Why are you pro an environment in which your life isn’t valued, and so bothered by people who aren’t?
Im bothered that this is such a stupid thing to get your dick caught in a blender for. Its as stupid as boycotting a beer company for lgbt support or boycotting Twitter for having Elon as a CEO. Its all childish fugazi anger directed at pointless bullshit
I like In-N-Out’s food okay. What I really like is their simple menu. It’s the only fast food my family eats because they can do gluten free safely. The owners are definitely conservative and christian (and weirdly so imo) but those freaks know how to run a well-functioning restaurant. The mask ban is obviously stupid but I won’t boycott over it. Sucks for the workers, but also In-N-Out pays better and appears to treat their staff much better than your typical fast food joint. I’d hate to see those jobs shifted over to something like another McDonald’s, for example.
Five Guys is really good about allergens, including gluten. They have a special allergen free zone in the kitchen that is apparently a huge pain in the ass to prepare for use each time, but they make sure it’s not got any of what you’re avoiding. If you ask for something to be left out of your order they ask: “Allergy or preference?”
Five Guys? Good about allergens? I opened the door and was faced with a horror show. Peanuts to the left of me, peanuts to the right. Peanuts to the center. I retired from the field.
Yeah, idk… I went to their website and the fries are not flagged for peanut allergy yet it also says “cooked in 100% peanut oil” so that does not inspire confidence lmao
They aren’t exaggerating. There are literally pallets of peanuts just out in the open at Five Guys. It’s one of their things.
Next they’ll be like …. No employees are allowed to wash their hands… hand washing is woke.
Killer strawman my dude. You must have strictly stayed inside for the last 3 years too huh
That… that’s not what a strawman is
Sooo it didnt oversimplify and attack something that wasnt in discussion. I think you should look up what a strawman argument is bubster
Edit: You guys dont even want to reply cuz you know im right LMAO
More bland food I can ignore
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This is why we NEED worker’s unions. They can fight this corporate power bullshit.
I will fight the urge to drive 635 miles to my nearest In-N-Out because of this.
As someone living on the East Coast who is never within 2,000 miles of an In n Out Burger, I’ll continue to do my part.
To anyone thinking Covid can be eradicated, you’re just wrong. it’s never going away. Wearing masks won’t stop it, just like it didn’t stop it during the height of the pandemic. Just like the flu or the common cold, it is a virus that we’ll have to contend with for the rest of our lives. There are exceptions in In-N-Out’s policy if you read the article. If you work there and still don’t like it, find a new job. Literally 90% of places I enter these days has a “now hiring” sign on the door. Work somewhere else.
“It’s never going away, so don’t do something that helps mitigate it.” What??
How about just not coming to work when you’re sick? like a normal fucking person…
How about “I’m going to wear this mask so I don’t blow germs over you, your food, and my coworkers because the boss forced me to come to work sick?”
It’s a braindead response to believe this is about “eradicating COVID.” People like you ensured that this would be impossible years ago.
No one is forcing you to go to work. if you’re sick, stay the fuck home.
Fuck you if your spouse or parents are going thru chemo, huh?
Don’t eat out? It’s their responsibility to stay safe, not everybody else’s responsibility to keep them safe.
I meant, what if the in and out employee was living with someone immunocompromised.
Would that count? Should the employee be forced to tell an in and out manager that they are living with someone like that?Then don’t work a job that has you interacting with thousands of people a day. If you’re the only one wearing a mask it’s only keeping YOU from spreading what you already have and you shouldn’t be working anyway.
When I visited California, there were a few people who were very excited about sharing the In N Out experience. I like a good hamburger, so I was looking forward to it. It was simultaneously disappointing that it was just McDonald’s with a different name and off putting that its adherents think anything otherwise.
Oh no don’t you start spewing hateful lies about In-N-Out. It isn’t a knockoff McDonald’s, its a double double orgasm in your mouth. it’s so much more than “just a burger.” I mean…that first bite-oh, what heaven that first bite is. The bun, like a sesame freckled breast of an angel, resting gently on the ketchup and mustard below, flavors mingling in a seductive pas de deux. And then…a pickle! The most playful little pickle! Then a slice of tomato, a leaf of lettuce and a…a patty of ground beef so exquisite, swirling in your mouth, breaking apart, and combining again in a fugue of sweets and savor so delightful. This is no mere sandwich of grilled meat and toasted bread, dude This is God, speaking to us in food.
TIL In n Out was the best burger in New York City. Should’ve made it easy to find!
Yep. Can’t believe I caught downvotes for this
My first thought was that a lot of people didn’t get your joke, but I got a lot of downvotes for my straightforward comment, so I think you’re getting downvoted by both the people who don’t get the joke and the people who do get the joke, but think that In N Out has a decent burger.
Good, why do you need a damn mask?
Why do you hate freedom?
Da fuck are you talking about?
You just advocated for the removal of the freedom to wear a mask. Freedom works both ways.
Because they prevent the spread of disease. An american way to think about it is: A dead customer can’t spend money
Like what disease? Before 2019 there were no diseases to be spread? You are so worried? Stay home
Like literally any respiratory disease as well as all the other bacteria and viruses that spew forth from your mouth every time you open it to make vapid uninformed comments.
We’ve been using masks for this purpose since 1899, not 2019.
You live in a society that provides you with a whole fuckton of advantages and you are responsible for the wellbeing of the people in that society. I know your head is warm and comfortable up there but get it out of your arse mate
Lol hahhaahhaha
In N Out is okay. I’ll never understand the cult following this place has. It’s literally a case study in manufactured scarcity.
It’s like the Chick-Fil-A folks. Same cult, different chain.
In-N-Out bans employees from wearing masks
wut
We’re past the 3rd year mark. Nobody is wearing masks and all the plexiglass has come down long ago. The masks were to keep hospitals from being inundated and keep everyone safe until a vaccine could be developed. Now that nobody is wearing masks we still don’t see the hospital overcrowding and massive issue.
It’s over.
Are they also banned from wearing gloves while handling my food?
Anyway, Five Guys >
5 Guys is superior anyway. Their Cajun fries are amazing.
5 Guys is also twice the price and I would argue that their burgers aren’t actually better than In-n-Out’s. I like thousand island sauce tho, so I’m a bit biased.
Totally agree with you about the Cajun fries, they completely blow away In-n-Out’s fries but their fries set a pretty low bar imo.
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That’s just like, your opinion man!
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