A lot of people are going to die because of this conspiracy theorist.
I think of someone very close to me who takes mediation for depression, medication that RFK thinks is bullshit, and medication that is regulated by the FDA.
She got a bad batch of something from a generic supplier and became dangerously suicidal. We were able to report this to the FDA and send them the medication so people wouldn’t die.
I can’t see how less staffing is going to make things better. We need more people on the ground so inspections are more regular and so deadly manufacturing problems are caught early.
You just need to reference their last playbook: less data means it’s not happening, like covid.
I can’t see how less staffing is going to make things better.
Oh it makes things better alright. Better for the drug companies who now don’t have to deal with pesky things like “safety” and “consequences for killing people”.
Or “overhead”, to use a technical term.
Not only are a lot of people going to die, the EU is going to be on some “bad” list very soon, because free travel and any kind of “free” shipping won’t be possible anymore - and I’d say even some Asian, African and maybe even Australia are going to follow that, heck, maybe even Canada. Although I’m not sure if Canada is able to actually do that…
Huh? What context is this list set up in? I don’t really see how it relates to the medication issue.
Vaccines and medications help in stopping the spread of diseases. If the rest of the world can’t make sure the US plays after international rules, they can’t let anyone or anything from the US in
Oooh yeah good point. I didn’t make that connection
They’ll blame democrats and win even more votes.
Saying you are going to gut the CDC after a pandemic is peak shooting yourself in the face to spite the neighbors.
He gutted the Federal Pandemic Response Team in 2018.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
He then took deliberate steps to inhibit pandemic response in 2020.
Dismantling the CDC and HHS is absolutely to be expected.
I would have figured losing 1-2 million Republicans would have helped in voting, but my Mexican neighbors decided they like Trump. Guess I’ll report them to ICE. The leopards must feed.
Guess I’ll report them to ICE.
How is that going to help anything? That just makes you an asshole.
They literally asked for it though?
Voted for it in droves.
Just giving them what they wanted.
Don’t start none won’t be none
It’s handy when the trash takes itself out, isn’t it.
It would’ve been, but I don’t know why you’re saying that now because it clearly didn’t. We decided to fucking wallow in it instead.
It doesn’t work like that.
If they voted, then they’re citizens. Reporting citizens to ICE won’t do anything.
On top of them just sounding like a total psycho. It’s interesting watching liberals become what they hate so quickly lol
The Haitians were here legally and he campaigned on kicking them out. And if you think the supreme court is about to defend any monitory’s rights you haven’t been paying attention. He’s gone on record saying it’s okay if they screw up a few times deporting people
Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that ICE can’t deport citizens.
Our newly Republican controlled Congress, however, can legislate denaturalization.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C4-1-5-1/ALDE_00013170/
Laws only matter where there’s a will and power to enforce them. This supreme court has made it clear the president can break laws if its an “official” order. I don’t think it’s likely but it’s absolutely possible. Europe didn’t see WW2 coming and plenty of Jews were German citizens. None of this is even unprecedented
If they voted then they aren’t illegally here?
Won’t mater to Trump
Sadly that didn’t affect trump voters when Trump kneecapped the pandemic response teams (including the CDC) before covid.
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If you stayed home because of Gaza, this is your fault.
Keep punching left and down. That will really help build the coalition to resist fascism.
The people who stayed home are not the people on the left. The people on the left voted against fascism. The people who stayed home for the election are also going to be useless in an anti-fascism coalition, seeing as they couldn’t be bothered to do the bare minimum.
I’m not punching left, and I refuse to accept your categorisation of anything short of completely trashing the DNC is not left enough.
The reason I voted for Harris is because I care about the lives of Palestinians. You can try to claim that this isn’t true, but you’re just wrong. And none of your bullshit purity tests will change that.
If you call yourself a progressive, and you stayed home on Tuesday, I want nothing to do with you. There’s my purity test. Fuck right off.
The only thing I said was don’t punch left. I literally said none of the other things you are ranting about, so go bark at someone else.
I didn’t vote for Harris, because… I’m not a US citizen. I would have if I were, if you need to know. I’m sitting here on my side of the border, seeing fascism take over on your side and I’m shocked to see you guys bicker about pointing fingers instead of facing reality and thinking wtf you have to do to survive the next 4 years. It’s as if you don’t really understand what’s about to hit you.
You’re in deep crisis mode. Being mad at Muslims and Stein voters and non-voters is going to be a barrier to building a coalition of resistance. That’s just the plain reality of what strategic organizing will require. Don’t burn bridges with the people you will need in the next 4 years. You hit the iceberg, now is not the time to point fingers about whose fault that it is, it’s time to get to the boats and every one who can help with that is valuable.
The only thing I said was don’t punch left. I literally said none of the other things you are ranting about,
Ok then, what the fuck does “punching left” mean?
Third paragraph of my previous comment:
Being mad at Muslims and Stein voters and non-voters is going to be a barrier to building a coalition of resistance. That’s just the plain reality of what strategic organizing will require. Don’t burn bridges with the people you will need in the next 4 years.
Those people are fundamentally too stupid and too useless to work with.
Good luck, buddy.
The coalition to resist fascism should have existed 2 days ago
I feel like you have a misconception about how democracy works. When there’s position that enjoys broad popular support (such as universal health care, or a cessation of the genocide in Gaza), it isn’t on the democrats to take that position so the electorate will vote for them, it’s on the electorate to either change their mind on the issue, or vote for the democrats regardless.
It’s important to internalize this lesson. Next cycle you’ll likely get to practice it with trans rights, if the talking heads on MSNBC who are blaming wokeness for the democrats losing the election are any indication. The idea that politicians and their policies are responsible for losing/winning elections is silly. You’re here for them, not the other way around.
next cycle
Lol
60% of white men. 53% of white women.
Remember, the universe for those stats are only voters which account for less than half of the total US population.
Mostly Millennials, GenX, and Boomers as well.
Young people protesting Gaza had almost no influence on this election
No, all the Gen Z incel boys voted for hatred and misogyny.
While they didn’t help, I suspect their numbers were small enough to not matter in the scheme of what happened.
The answer is likely mundane. My guess is overall turnout was lower because things didn’t feel as ‘crisis’ like as 2020. The needle for people barely aware of politics even as they vote stayed at the same place as it was in 2020: Things aren’t great, kick whoever is in office out in hopes the alternative does better. Last time they came out for Biden because Trump was at the wheel. Now they show up for Trump because the president was a democrat.
This segment of the electorate is not particularly politically aware, let alone active, and likely has little to no opinion about the broader world. The relative likelihood of them turning up at all depends on how badly things are going (less likely to show up this time compared to the unprecedented mess of 2020), and to the extent they show up they just vote against whoever is in charge that day.
However, those people are generally quiet, and so we turn our focus instead to the loudest folks proclaiming a refusal to vote for Harris.
If it was close, I would agree. It wasn’t even close by such a huge margin the more mundane factors I think are the only ones big enough to explain things.
My guess is overall turnout was lower because things didn’t feel as ‘crisis’ like as 2020.
What an insane take…
For the politically disengaged? It is an accurate take.
In 2020, you had massive unemployment. People personally were stuck at home with nowhere they could go. Many of them saw a loved one suffer death at the hands of a pandemic, or personally get very sick. That is a direct and visceral experience of “things are bad”. They didn’t need to follow any news, study any charts, read any policy, they knew that their direct subjective experience was bad.
In 2024, things for people are largely normal, but a lot of bills are high. Grading on a curve, this is much further from a personal crisis for most folks. In fact, the grocery bills eased a bit so some people might be seeing a natural ‘light at the end of the tunnel’.
The biggest discused crisis factors in forums like this are only being considered by the politically engaged, and that’s just not most people. Whether it should be or not…
Its definitely a media outreach problem.
Yez, but not in the way you’re thinking. People have been radicalized by misogynists on youtube and tiktok that Russia has paid for. It’s been proven for some of them, and if you think they’re the only ones, you’re living in a fantasy land.
Except gen z men voted at like a 2% more for trump in a low turnout election its like well within every margin of error that it could be decreasing support since 2020.
The significant portion of the almost 20 million Biden voters that just checked out of politics and decided since everything seemed ok, no need to vote. Thats the media outreach problem. It guarantees that republicans will regain power everytime the economy gets patched up with duct tape.
Unfortunately, I think the media has blared the things people should be caring like crazy. Problems remain:
- People only internalize their personal experience, and they only care so much about what they see on the screen.
- To the extent they may care, they also see a counter campaign of folks claiming otherwise, and they don’t really have a good way to casually know which viewpoint to take seriously.
I think that points to the democrats need for sneaker based messaging networks. Instead of buying huge expensive ads that nonvoters won’t watch and giving that money out to tv networks why not use the high volunteer base to buy t shirts and restaurant meal coupons then hand them out to people. stuff like that. I think there needs to be more lateral thinking here. Less emails, more tshirts.
This is largely how non voters have responded when asked as far as I’ve seen: “feels like things aren’t broken, I can sit this out”
Its not a take its just the reality we live in.
Every person that says that is now a Nazi sympathizer.
I agree with you in spirit but not in rhetoric. I’d call them dipshits.
It doesn’t matter. A vote that was not cast or cast for anyone other than Harris we warned them and warned them, and they didn’t listen.
If I ever hear someone say “Gen Z will save us” again, I’m going to have some strong words for them. Gen Z is a bunch of knuckle-dragging Neanderthals and they’ll be the death of us.
If you voted for a guy who can’t even say his opponents name properly , you are also an idiot voting for another idiot.
Being able to learn to say your opponents name is a life skill which is useful for presidency… And Kamala’s name isn’t hard
It’s absolutely fucked that a lot of them stood their laughing as he displayed that he never left high school
The downvotes on this very obviously correct comment are nearly the same proportion of D votes missing from this election, how befitting.
And do you think there will be a single Republican willing to do anything about it?
Mark my words, they will vote 100% in lockstep every single time. And if what Trump is doing is illegal (like that matters anyway), they’ll just write legislation to make it legal. Not a single one of them is going to even think about criticizing him, out of fear of either violence, political suicide, or both.
The government will be crammed with unqualified hacks from top to bottom. The corruption will be open and blatant.
And every single Republican senator will vote to confirm. Every single time.
RFK in charge of healthcare. Musk in charge of spending. Aileen cannon is either getting the AG job or a Supreme Court seat. Whichever one she doesn’t get, Alina Hobba gets. Steve Bannon gets pardoned and gets communications director. Alex Jones is probably going to crawl out from whatever rock he crawled under too.
They’ll all get jobs. The Senate will confirm them all. And far-right conspiracy theories will become official US policy.
Jones hasn’t crawled under any rocks, he’s been going strong even with a billion dollar judgement against him and filing for bankruptcy. Infowars is being auctioned off in a week so it might be bought by someone who will just keep him exactly where he is, but he’s been openly setting up a backup business and directing people to it, which he’s said ON AIR he’ll just fold into the existing business if all goes well. His dad has a completely independent supplement company and he’s got completely unaffiliated mates selling his merch.
The only reason he’s less prominent now is because the politicians and the mainstream media in the US are so fucking unhinged that he’s struggling to stay relevant in his niche.
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I hate how you right you are.
There may be one or two, but as soon as they imprison or execute one (my bet is that it will be Kinzinger), they’ll all fall in line. Or mysteriously vanish.
Hell, why should he care if any of it is legal or not? Him being inaugurated after inciting an insurrection is a direct violation of the constitution. His entire second presidency will be illegal.
There is a ray of hope. Historically when the GOP gets power, infighting flares up.
Trump himself has been shown to be quite malleable in the face of hollow flattery, without much in the way of things he actually cares about doing specifically, apart from whatever inflates his ego. Those different camps have had a long time to meditate on how people have manipulated Trump and are likely to be better at manipulating him Putin style.
So while they all may have decided they must be in line with Trump, they may work toward changing what policies that means. So even as they must be behind Trump, that may narrow the fixed outcome to just proclaiming Trump the most awesome president ever, with policy related stuff a bit more malleable.
I would have preferred not to risk this scenario, but for now I’m choosing to hope that there’s a more mundane path forward that avoids permanent damage to the political structure, despite this very risky situation.
I wouldn’t be surprised though if Trump just ignores him and appoints a drug company lobbyist instead. RFK Jr. forgot Rule #1 when dealing with Trump: get paid up front.
Awesome, we are in a situation where I am openly hoping for the corrupt commercial outcome…
Would be hilarious considering he dropped out just to beg trumo for a spot. He’s pathetic and hope you’re right
Also that he demands absolute loyality but gives none.
Remember to thank all the dipshits that supported diaper donnie and his insanity. Remind them that: “YOU did this.”
And the ones who didn’t vote.
Biden got 81M votes, Harris 67. Where are the missing 15M people? Where were they?
Probably complaining about Gaza or some shit lmao. What are you trying to say here?
Democrats sounded the alarms and 15 million people, idk, pressed the snooze button.
The whole presidency is alarming… Please find a bit that it is not?
Nah, let’s all take a good honest look at what’s happening and start preparing for it.
In not alarming news…Maybe the annual tradition of pardoning a turkey will remain largely unchanged
Assuming Trump is the turkey in this instance.
Given his age, there is a non-zero chance that he may die while in the presidency?
JD Vance isn’t exactly a charismatic individual (some might even go so far as call him ‘weird’); so this entire neo-fascist movement may very well fragment and flounder in the not too distant future.
I’m actually way more afraid of Vance in the presidency than Trump.
Why is that? He lacks the cult of personality to be able to carry on after Trump IMO, and was largely picked as a ‘Yes Man’.
Probably because he’s smarter.
No doubt he’s smart, he hitched his wagon to the Trump train after all - but I don’t think that’s particularly important.
He doesn’t have Trump’s charisma, so he’d struggle to maintain control over his fan base and would likely face challenges from key faces in the cohort (eg. Ron DeSantis, MTG etc.)
This is basically my reasoning as well, he will most likely be eaten alive by the true believers and power brokers will break him over knee. All of Vance’s influence is derived from Trump. And especially if Trunp dies before inauguration he may very well become irrelevant depending on certain factors.
If he dies before they are able to really get the structural changes in P2025 off the ground, Trump’s death will likely instigate the death of the movement. If it dies after that the P2025 restructuring has happened, won’t matter.
The Supreme Court will surely block….ummm
Snake oil is back on the menu, boys.
I wonder if they will fudge some studies and numbers so that it will be evidence based snake oil?
Medicinal mercury is back baby! Just as long as there’s no vaccines!
Headline from the future:
“Displacing heart disease, the primary cause of death in the USA is now ‘easily preventable disease’”
Polio on the rise outside the Bible Belt.
More like “mysteriously falling from windows.”
All hail the brainworms, all hail the brainworms
Why is anyone surprised. They said what they were gonna do. They’re now making concrete plans to do the things they said they were gonna do.
I’m gonna fuckin leave.
lol welcome to the middle ages
If you can avoid the dark ages, you should probably consider that a win right now…
State agencies will still be in place, will they not? I wouldn’t eat the food or drink the water were I in a red state…
Most, if not all in some cases, funding for state-level regulatory agencies comes directly from their federal counterparts. This will essentially kill state agencies as well.
Or at the very least, they will be severely reduced in terms of staff and purview.
And that’s just the states that don’t decide to follow the administration’s lead and do the same thing to their state level agencies.
Aww come on, maybe your kid will have super powers then, like an extra arm or glowing in the dark. Where’s your sense of adventure?
I hate his voice and I’m sick of him already.
Nothing against people with his condition but if you’re gonna sound like you’re talking underwater make it worth my fucking time.
The Crypt Keeper’s voice would be more pleasant.
Somebody is counting his chickens before they’ve hatched.
The brainworms have definitely hatched though
It’s going to be morbidly hilarious watching the USA the next four years.
I mean laugh at your neighbors house on fire if you want but the embers are blowing everywhere.
Eh, as an Italian I had to endure years of bunga-bunga jokes and such… turns out Berlusconi was a class act compared to what you guys managed to elect.
Berlusconi let others do the job of governing…people that lined their pockets as well, but at least we’re somewhat decent at actual governing compared to what Trump’s second cabinet’s probably going to be.
I lived through the 2008 economic crisis, they were terrible, but at least they tried to keep up appearances because they espoused the democratic process, ergo they needed to be reelected
Berlusconi isn’t even mousilini to Trump’s Hitler. Not even close.
The kakistocracy that is coming is like nothing we’ve seen in the modern era.
Time for the EU to get some safety distance from the USA
Lol.
Four years? Try four decades. The ramifications of Trump’s first term is still being felt now.
The haters will downvote us for it but damn is it a good time to have a dark sense of humor. It’s out of our control but its still bad to see the humor in the absurdity I guess.
I’m still holding out for ‘President running the country from prison’ which would almost make it worth it.
