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Bluesky: install an app and make an account.
Mastodon: first pick a server. What does that mean? You figure it out. Ok, now select a client and install it. Doesn’t matter which one, but it actually does. Then use that client app to log onto the server you made an account on. Now you just need to figure out who to follow and you’re ready to participate!
The how-to-search-for-people-to-follow thing caused me trouble with Mastodon. I could handle getting a client and an account, but actually finding people not on the same instance as me was a challenge. Discoverability was pretty broken.
Bluesky doesn’t seem to have that problem.
Lemmy I’ve stuck with because it handles that better.
Gee . . . I wonder why
Users: ermagerd, I haVe to ChoSe a SeRveR! tHiS is SO diFFicUlT!!! 😭😭😭
“but you need to do the same for email…”
Discovery sucks out loud, federation is all to often at the whims of some admin in a pissing match with another server, even when you know someone you want to follow locating their account is a hassle, it’s slower than Bluesky to populate across federated instances, there isn’t a good app design out there for free, the web portal is inferior in both UX and UI to even Twitter, I could go on.
If you want to make strawman arguments, go ahead; but, you’re ignoring the real problems with Mastodon that have caused users to avoid it.
Discovery sucks out loud
It doesn’t have recommendation engine that forces everybody into certain streams of thought, how terrible. You want someone to do the thinking for you? Can’t think for yourself?
Federation is all to often at the whims of some admin in a pissing match with another server
The admin has *audible gasp* power and users can choose the server they want? It’s almost like they are free. Also twitter, facebook, insta and other sites have never banned anybody because they are bastions of free speech.
even when you know someone you want to follow locating their account is a hassle
I know search boxes are advanced tech for you, but the majority it really isn’t that hard.
it’s slower than Bluesky to populate across federated instances
“I want my content and I want it now!” OK, addict. Maybe going slow would be better for you. Relax.
there isn’t a good app design out there for free, , the web portal is inferior in both UX and UI to even Twitter
Would you imagine that, people who donate their free time and skills to a project without getting reimbursed need longer to design and implement something than those working full time on it for tens of thousands of euros a year. And of course there are users like you that want the free work for free. As soon as somebody asks for money “Oh no, then I’ll go to the VC funded alternative where I’m the product! At least it’s free!”
Always the same with you people. You want a free alternative that can compete with a product that has millions invested in it over multiple years but won’t accept anything less than perfection, otherwise it’s “garbage” and “unusable”.
I dunno why are you so hostile to the other person and their points. The truth is that most people, especially non-technical ones, want three things out of any social media platform and here they are in order:
- It must be popular. If they can’t find their friends / celebrities / favorite brands on there they are not interested in the platform.
- It must be easy to use. If they have to jump through any unnecessary, as judged by them not you, hoops then they are not interested in the platform.
- It must have oodles of content they like and agree with. If they are presented with too much, as judged by them not you, content that they don’t like or agree with then they are not interested in the platform.
If a platform doesn’t meet all three of those criteria then it will not achieve mainstream success. Like it or not Mastadon, which I am on, is failing all three of those and will almost certainly remain a niche platform just like Lemmy.
Fediverse is the over-engineered great solutions that most people don’t understand
The analogy the other day works well, aside from the LaTeX one which still feels like a stretch
- Firefox : Chrome
- Linux : Windows
- LaTex : MS Word
- actual Fediverse : Bluesky’s Fediverseᵀᴹ
However I’m happy to be here. Mastodon is getting a boost right now too. Even if they didn’t, and everyone on Twitter moved to bluesky, I don’t expect those instances to close up shop
https://atproto.com/guides/applications
You can use atproto to build other federated applications.
Just because one implementation of atproto (bluesky) doesn’t have feature parity, doesn’t mean it’s a fake federated protocol.
‘actual fediverse’ and ‘bluesky fediverse’ doesn’t make sense as a comparison.
It’s more like, ActivityPub vs ATProto.
https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto
Bluesky is just one implementation of the protocol, that implementation happens to have a lot of steam, but it’s not fake or anything.
I wouldn’t call it fake, but the concern is about who created, maintains, and/or controls the protocol
ActivityPub was developed by W3C, and it’s properly decentralized. For Atproto, the concern is that Bluesky will exert control over the protocol once shareholders and profit get in the way of making a good product.
Last I heard they were discussing potentially moving the necessary registry/directory to a separate non-profit “like ICANN”, but even with that they seemed noncommittal about it.
I’d love to see more diversity in the federated space. Competition and iterative development is how we make things better. But I need Bluesky to take those necessary steps before I feel comfortable endorsing it over ActivityPub
Honestly it’s fine. Keep fedi niche, it’s why it continues to be comfy.
Yeah, let the project serve a few thousand then die off entirely well before 2030. That’s what this should be.
Let’s barely be a blip on the radar and make no difference at all to how the future of Internet fora goes.
Let’s do to the fediverse idea what some families do to a discounted grill, use it a few times a year then throw it in a dumpster when it gets rusty.
I rather it grow organically than go viral.
Most people here would have have Lemmy not grow much at all.
There is a price for going mainstream, and I agree that I don’t think I want to pay it. R*ddit was also once niche…
Yep, that’s right. That’s what I mean.
We’re doing nothing with this framework. It’s going nowhere. We’re not dethroning or replacing or reshaping shit.
Lemmy will be done and dead before Trump’s term is, even if he follows the term limit and hands it off in 4 years.I don’t believe that. Lemmy continues to slowly grow. It’s not dieing at all.
We’ll just have to wait and see. But clearly people here don’t want to get even close to the numbers of the big sites.
