Ha. I think that was in the further reading section of the Wikipedia article. You’re not wrong. I was just providing a this is what happened historically…

See Worcester v. Georgia essentially two states attempted to secede and the federal government stepped in (after first defying the court) to save the union. Does not bode well for the union at this point in history.

Don’t forget they are not being released in isolation. They have existing networks and just proved their loyalty to the cause.

ProPublica: The Militia and the Mole

Please don’t sleep on JD Vance. While Trump is selling out the constitution, he is the tip of the want-to-be authoritarian spear: Is There Something More Radical than MAGA? JD Vance Is Dreaming It.

Great. Send the link. Why it’s important, now more than ever, to fact check on the internet

How do you know that the majority of people with Long COVID were vaccinated. This 2023 study says

Current studies suggest that covid-19 vaccines might have protective and therapeutic effects on long covid. More robust comparative observational studies and trials are needed, however, to clearly determine the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing and treating long covid.

100% agree with both points. The disconnect is the timeline each considers. As a father I am deeply empathic for the children that are not able to advocate for themselves and the immunocompromised that are basically left to be assaulted by other’s ignorance.

But longer term, think multigenerational, the higher death rates for the anti-vax crowd may be the correction that leads to better overall outcomes for humanity.

Three Arrows YT video “Was Hitler a Socialist?”

Three Arrows YT video “Was Hitler a Socialist?”

I literally asked how to make people not act that way and said it is what would save the world.

No one that responded had an answer to how to implement the “solution” of getting people to have “the right thought process.” Conspiratorial thinking isn’t new. Simply saying people should be properly educated isn’t proposing an actual solution, it’s stating the obvious.

My point was that, until there is an actionable solution to achieve that result (which we are still struggling with as a species) I don’t have an issue with fighting fire with fire.

It’s fine to propose abstract ideas. The reason we are where we are as a species is that no one is able to put them into practice.

Edit to add example:

In the example the mom is an anti vaxer. The Dr. tricks her into vaxing kid. Kid grows up and can’t reconcile mom’s crazy ideas with her contrary actions. Kids starts questioning mom’s sanity. Kid starts searching for answers. Kid joins this community on lemmy. Kid sees this conversation. Kid says that’s what happened to me. Kid abandons conspiracies.

Or we as a species could simply tell mentally ill people they are mentally ill and expect the mentally ill brain to make a non mentally ill decision.

I’m not playing anything. You can read it. You are responding to statements and arguments I am not making.

If your argument was “your comment is outside the scope of this community” than make that argument.

Be well.

So you are characterizing my comment about using any means possible to vaccinate an innocent child that is unable to speak for themselves and is at danger die due to a mentally unstable parent’s belief with ruthless and immoral behavior?

How do you characterize letting that same child die because they are not vaccinated?

Edit: typo

Why

Can’t tell if you mean that as a good or bad thing.

What solution? I said I don’t have one.

That’s a non answer. I never said conspiratorial thinking was helping the world. (However, in the example given it appears that it may have.)

What I asked was how do we implement your solution. It’s all well and good to point out problems. But if that problem is unavoidable it becomes the cost of doing business. I take your non answer to mean you don’t have one. That’s fine. I don’t either. In the example given a good result was achieved via a less than ideal way.

While we wait for the way to implement your solution I am willing to accept getting innocent children vaccinated by any means possible.

How? A correct answer saves the world.

Edit: The most frustrating thing about this entire thread is that I wanted to have a conversation about implementing actual on the ground solutions to countering conspiracy theories and the response was to shut down the conversation.

In an attempt to answer my own question, maybe the solution to getting people to escape conspiracy theories is to avoid personal attacks (you’re Machiavelli) and other rhetorical devices and actually have a conversation divorced from ego about a topic.

If only there was a community for that?

I wonder how many federal agents they will use for his perp walk?

I have no idea why people are still on FB. I am only on here and don’t seem to be missing out on anything important.

My original comment implied that the world sent a plague in response to Trump. Having trouble understanding the relevance of your comment. But nice try at a point.

I know reading is hard. You need to group letters to form words and words to form sentences. Take breaks when confused. Use ice or aspirin for any headaches.