MxM111

Don’t judge other people by yourself.

That was never stated as official policy. Nor the actions aligned with it. You confuse Israel with Hamas, who both stated and acted upon it.

I kind of understand them, because if you listen Fox News, you will learn about Soviet style prosecution, about how judge manipulated court. “Expert” after “expert” say that it is political hunting, etc. It is easy to manipulate those with single source of news and views.

From the cannon…

That’s what, I think, Russian targets mean in this context.

That’s false. Only half are women and children wiki. Your 10:1 ratio is taken out of your behind, but even that ratio is typical urban warfare ratio. Just Google.

Yes, and with 14,000 militant killed, the civilian number is 35K - 14K = 21K. Civilian to militant casualties is 21:14, or smaller than 2:1. That’s all.

For total number of casualties I take Hamas number. For militant casualties, Hamas does not give any number, so, I have to use Israeli number as the most reliable. By the way, Israeli number for civilian casualties is also not so far from Hamas.

Honestly, shit happens during the war. Yes, the mistakes should be investigated, guilty punished etc., but it is a big picture which is important, not a few incidents that are easy to use for propaganda and internet points.

In my mind there are 3 questions that needs to be answered

1. is war justified?
2. what is civilian to military kill ratio (basically to see if civilians are killed without care)
3. what are the goals of the war, what are post war plans

For the first question, I do not know how anyone with straight face can say that the war is not justified when a neighbor attacks you and purposely and barbarously kills 1300 people and takes about 200 hostages.

For the second quested, it is urban warfare, and if anyone cares to check, the ratio of 10 to 1 (civilian to military) is quite typical. In this war, Israel achieves ratio of better than 2 to 1, which says to me that IDF is really careful not to kill civilians unnecessarily.

It is the question (3) where I have problem with right now. Mostly because it is right wing government in Israel and there is no clear out of war path suggested after Hamas is destroyed. But here we can wait and see. Israel is a democracy and I hope her people will make right decision.

US naturalized means US citizen, just born in different country. What logic they can possibly use to defend that (unless they themselves are American Indians, which somehow I doubt)

Well what about US born only citizens? What is it about white Canadians, but US naturalized?

$1000 fine is not even a slap on the wrist.

But then, how would they make all the money?

Or maybe he exited the tournament because he was about to die? Which one the cause, which one the effect? We can only see the correlation.

But it is part of Schengen area.

I never understand this logic. The war is still defensive regardless where the targets are.

Have not them been successfully sued in the past for propagation of lies about election?

Unless Trump himself died, and now he is a double.

Edit: I think we should post this conspiracy theory on 4chan.

I have not seen anyone with reputation claiming that. Hamas itself does not object against these claims. And at this point even if they are inflated by factor of two, it would be still good ratios.

Also, the ratio of civilians killed versus military fighters killed was good for Israel in the past. And nobody objected that either.

As for clearly civilians being killed - of course they are. But IDF is not Hamas - they do not target civilians on purpose, and as numbers show, they are quite accurate in killing fighters. Are there IDF fuck ups who actually want and kill some civilians? Most likely. In any large scale military such things exist, but they are exceptions which are investigated. IDF is no different than any other military in that respect, including US.

I understand that echo chamber exist here on fediverse, but the more I study the actual facts more I come to conclusion that the citiation is quite different as most here trying to paint. People react on videos that a) difficult to understand without context b) in terms of statistics are exceptions, not a rule. The overall situation is different and you can’t make conclusions by couple videos.

Cut top 15-20% of picture - it will be better.