Ocelot

Ive had horrible battery life in my 14 pro since 16.6.1. Just installed 17 yesterday and it still seems at least as bad.

you missed the step where after development slows down, there are hundreds of forks of the project created making it too fragmented to be stable, again resulting in death.

plus court fees, travel, research, office space, etc

I mean they did do all the work.

Dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous shit. You can’t even breathe it safely!

I’d be surprised if there weren’t some kind of guidelines already but once we see EVs on the road 25-30 years old held together with duct tape things might get interesting.

Ever seen a 30 year old car from where it snows a lot? They have rust holes that eat clean through the floor. We don’t have EVs that old yet but I seriously wonder how big of a problem that might be, as the salt will eat through the battery tray at a certain point. Especially for some of the budget EVs like the Bolt.

Tesla doesn’t advertise so any clickbait involving them is fair game.

You know who does adverise? Other competing manufacturers and boy do they have a hard-on for advertising on news sites and broadcasts. Coincidence?

I don’t see how youtube or any private platform should have any obligation to host any kind of content legally.

The problem with free speech is that if you want to have it you have to give it to everyone. Even the morons. And my god are the morons vocal, closed minded and opinionated.

If you leave the videos up, it spreads misinformation. If you take them down, the morons cry censorship and spawn conspiracy theories gaining possibly even more traction. I personally think everyone is entitled to their opinion and should be able to speak freely, but the truth should drown out the lies.

I have no idea whats going to happen here but discovery on this case is going to be crazy revealing. Someone shot themselves in the foot here and its either going to be Musk or the ADL.

as others have mentioned there are storage and battery concerns but also Lemmy works best when its consistently available. Then theres the whole roaming IP problem if youre moving on cell networks. Federated instances and communities often won’t be able to find you for updates.

Teslas have 360 degree dashcams that are recording all the time. Why didn’t they upload the video? I promise you they have it.

Such a video would go viral pretty easily. It would light a fire under tesla engineering to fix such a dangerous and life threatening situation. Where is it? Why is there never any footage attached to these articles? Why can’t I find a video ANYWHERE of such a thing? Why can nobody in this thread bashing the tech over and over produce any justification for their fear?

If I were tesla and I wanted to cover up dangers of FSD trying to kill people I wouldn’t give everyone a constantly running dashcam. It would really make them look bad.

Could it possibly be, just maybe, that the video disagrees with the “journalist” opinion that it was performing dangerously? Could it be that an article that says “Tesla FSD performs admirably, swerves to avoid obstacle that would have caused a blowout” might not get nearly as many clicks and ad revenue? Maybe?

FSD is aware of where barriers and medians are. If it needs to swerve to avoid an obstacle it will go in whatever direction is safest. Sometimes that means towards a barrier. Sometimes the driver panicking and disengaging and taking over interrupts the maneuver and causes danger that wasn’t otherwise present. We will never know what actually happened because there is no evidence. Evidence that I promise you exists but for whatever reason was omitted.

If a cop said something outrageous and dangerous happened to them and they say they are completely clear of fault and wrongdoing, would it not be reasonable to want to see the bodycam footage? If for whatever reason the police department says “we don’t have it” “its corrupted” or whatever other excuse would that not raise eyebrows? The same situation applies here.

There are plenty of youtube channels out there like dirtytesla, whole mars catalog, AI Driver, Chuck Cook, and many others that show and even livestream FSD. None of them have been in an accident, even in very early releases of the beta software. These people are comfortable with the beta and often don’t take over control of the vehicle under any circumstances, even in their torture test scenario.

Is it at all possible, just maybe, that FSD isn’t as dangerous as you might think? Fear is often a result of ignorance.

I am extremely open to changing my mind here just show me some convincing evidence. Every tesla is recording all the time so it should be really easy to find some, no?

Im sure im just a Tesla shill or fanboy whatever. The truth is Im just looking for facts. I would like to know why people feel this way and are so afraid of new technology despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary that it is saving lives.

ok so im totally in agreement but 99.999999% is one accident per hundred million miles traveled. I dont think there should be any reasonable expectation that such a technology can ever possibly get that far without real world testing. Which is precisely where we are now. Maybe at 4 or 5 9s currently.

If you do actually want to have that level of safety, which lets be honest we all do, or ideally 100% safety, how would you propose such a system be tested and deemed safe if not how it’s currently being done?

How is that not possible that something that lots of people do can’t still be illegal? Doing 1mph over the speed limit is also illegal.

Coming to a complete stop is illegal, yes. The overwhelming majority of drivers do not do this. As a result, drivers do not expect it. Doing so increases risk of being rear-ended and can cause road rage. A self driving car is wrong, technically, in both cases if it does or doesn’t come to a complete stop. Just as it is wrong in both cases to exceed or not exceed the speed limit to keep with the flow of traffic. At the end of it I would side with what is legal which is what FSD does now as a result of the recall.

The reason it did not come to a full stop before is because the whole system is trained on human drivers. And thats how human drivers drive.

ffs that is the exact same article again. Please read my other comment (the huge one) let me know if anything doesn’t make sense or you find anything factually inaccurate.

You’re missing the point. The whole thing is to prove that FSD is more dangerous than a human. Im asking for dashcam proof because that should by far be the easiest thing to get. Given the number of clickbait misinformed articles about the subject im very confident an actual major accident caused by FSD would be all over the news. It would be front page everywhere. All aboard the Elon hate train. Given the fact that nobody can produce evidence of even a minor FSD related accident and instead just calling me a Tesla fanboy and downvoting everything instead is baffling to me. Is it at all possible, just maybe, that FSD is a safe technology? Thats what i’m suggesting. If you have evidence to the contrary please present it. Unlike everyone else here I’m actually open to changing my mind.

Correct. They’re not. And thats why there was a recall and that’s why FSD no longer does them.

I said I would accept any form of proof of an accident. Any sort of accident. Major or minor. Are you just trolling?

No im saying if it was extraordinarily dangerous and causes “lots of accidents” as others have suggested, shouldn’t there at least be something to back that up? Some kind of footage? I mean ffs they’re recording all the time it shouldn’t be hard.

no what im suggesting is that currently, as of today, they don’t. There will come a day when it does cause an accident. Any self driving system will be at risk of that as long as other humans share the road. What is most important is that we don’t lose sight of the accidents it prevents. As it stands right now hundreds are dying daily in auto accidents in the US and NONE of them so far are from self driving cars. Even with 500k+ Teslas in the hands of everyday people. Any effort to dismiss or shut down self driving car programs is an incredible disservice to road safety when theres no evidence to suggest its as or more dangerous to the average human driver.