In the US we call government vehicles that come kill you “police cars”

Lmao at people not being able to read that.

Yes, its almost like Hamas recognizes that their support stems from opposing the occupation as a whole and not Jews as an ethnic group. They literally changed their charter to reflect this. Thanks for making my argument for me.

I was merely pointing out that you were completely misrepresenting the chain of events that led to the massacre, and even here calling an angry mob “militants” is still misrepresenting the situation. Listing more violent events doesn’t change my argument at all. There were probably tens of thousands of raids by Native Americans on white settlers and it still doesn’t justify the almost entire wholesale destruction of their population, eradication of culture, and relegation of the survivors to reservations.

Almost no one on the left supports Hamas as an actual governing body (you know, given that they’re explicitly anticommunist and Islamic fundamentalist), or wholesale supports their tactics. We just recognize that they are the only force that are on the ground fighting for the liberation of the Palestinians as a people. I’d much rather the charge be led by the PFLP or even the PLO, but that’s not the world we live in. If Hamas hadn’t been propped up by Likud (who also want a theocratic ethno state, you know believe what they say) and the US hadn’t forced an election when the PLO was at its weakest we wouldn’t be in this situation.

I call it an apartheid state because experts on apartheid like Nelson Mandela called it one and I call it a genocide because it’s as close to the textbook definition of one as it gets. If the Rohingya genocide, which is internationally recognized as a genocide, is one, this absolutely is as well. Hamas’s original charter being openly antiemetic doesn’t excuse that.

If we were in the situation where Hamas was governing over a unified Palestine and were trying to ethnically cleanse the historic Jewish population of Palestine, I would absolutely be screaming genocide as well. But that’s not the world we live in, and it never will be. Acknowledging the realities of the situation means acknowledging that sometimes an oppressed people resorts to supporting extremists when they’re the only ones left fighting for them. The only two ways to get rid of Hamas are ending the oppression that feeds them or a full scale successful genocide of the Palestinian people.

I see you’re just a run of the mill bigot who thinks all Arabs are the same and are violent savages so they deserve to be ethnically cleansed. A small amount of violently displaced people turning to terrorism doesn’t retroactively justify the displacement.

The Hebron massacre was terrible, and it doesn’t make it okay, but saying it happened out of nowhere because Jews were buying land from Arabs is a wildly disingenuous misrepresentation of events. It was the culmination of a week of riots kicked off by Zionist demonstrations declaring intentions to take over the Al-aqsa mosque and the event itself was kicked off by misinformation that Arabs in Jerusalem were being massacred. Most of the Jews that survived the massacre were saved from the mob by other Arabs.

Kicking hundreds of thousands of people out of their homeland doesn’t magically become okay because the UN approved it. The Zionist military was literally executing a mass forced migration and leveling entire towns while flying the star of David as their battle flag. The star of David with a knife through it insignia was only used by an army that at it’s strongest was 6000 people and were directly fighting the Zionist forces.

And no, the problem is 75 years of Israeli terrorism, not a longer term of Zionist terrorism. Who is in control matters. The problem is the settler colonial project of Israel, not the existence of Jews in Palestine. If Israel never existed and a Palestinian state was oppressing their Jewish population in the same way, that would be equally bad.

You’re doing the exact same logic every single genocide in history has been justified with. Wildly misrepresenting events and picking out isolated events from a vanishingly small fraction of a population and using them to demonized a population of millions of people. If it was 1850, you’d be spewing the same genocidal nonsense about the Native Americans citing attacks on settlers.

This might be hard for you to understand, but history also goes back before 2001. Yes Hamas are terrorists, but they only exist because of Israel’s even worse terrorism over the last 75 years.

You’re wasting your time, they aggressively have refused to acknowledge that history extends before October 7th, 2023.

We really are just speedrunning a redo of the early 2000s with a couple of names changed.

The top line says “Battle of Al-Aqsa flood 10/7/23” but if you translate the rest of what’s on that page its just the day of the week and date in each square. The IDF propagandist explicitly claims in the video that it is a guard shift list with people’s names on it which is a blatant lie.

Ukraine’s problem with far-right nationalist militias was openly talked about in western media before the Russian invasion

https://archive.li/iNMNq (haaretz)

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/17/714413439/right-wing-groups-are-active-in-ukraine-as-country-heads-into-presidential-elect

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/

Putin’s claim that he’s invading to “de-nazify” Ukraine is obviously nonsense since Wagner was literally named for Hitler’s favorite composer but to pretend they don’t have a neo-nazi problem is just ignoring reality.

I don’t think you’ve even watched the video you linked

It falls apart while watching the video if you’re not an idiot.

There’s also that video of a “nurse” in perfectly clean scurbs with an Israeli accent that none of the real staff had ever seen before crying that Hamas had taken over the hospital.

Yes lol. Apparently a terrorist militia command center is less well armed than a random house in Arizona. If you watch this video and are convinced by it, I have a bridge to sell you.

Sure, if your knowledge of the conflict only goes back a month.

Yet you’re only justifying one side’s actions.

Oh, so you’re just keeping your role of whitewashing a brutal occupation going then.

I served in Iraq and Afghanistan

This explains so much about all the shit you’re smearing all over Lemmy. You just miss murdering Arabs.

If you want to argue that a genocide isn’t happening, you’re free to call any University’s Holocaust & Genocide studies faculty and get your ass handed to you. I’m not going to try to have an argument with the Lemmy equivalent of an alt-right clip chimp.

I shouldn’t have given you the benefit of the doubt and tried to engage in good faith, my bad.

In short because the Israeli state wants to completely kill or displace the Palestinian population.

I’ll let an Israeli Holocaust historian make the case instead of me.