And while you say this, this thread is full of people claiming it is actually very simple. sigh

I wonder now whether that means that you feel that egg industry CEOs deserve death threats…

https://youtu.be/udSiluTAOaQ?si=QF7odI0WUCXdUmWS

Hey there mister literal, nobody asked you to take it so seriously

Even if media agencies are not setting out to portray someone like a caraciture they can not help it. That is just how the media is organized nowadays. If Greta shouts something angry in a microphone and they have 7 seconds for a segment about her, then they will use that outburst.

Greta is very scientifically minded and rational, unlike how the media likes to portray her. They use the emotional sound bites and almost never show her referring to paper after paper.

Believe me, I am not trying to point out that I am vegan. It’s not like I am building a name for myself. I only use this handle on the fediverse.

However, I do like to point out that we’re screwing the planet and the animals with our behavior. Sometimes people listen, instead of trying to put me in a box or becoming defensive. That has a small chance of making the world just a tiny bit better.

And if you really must put me in a box, then you can put me in a box with other well educated people who also happen to have some basic understanding of grammar. I don’t love grammar at all by the way. It’s not my field.

*you’re

We’re sooooo far from even thinking about reversing climate change that this argument, though valid, sounds very misplaced. If can’t even get my friends, who are otherwise smart and decent people, to consider not eating meat.

I don’t get it? Why are they talking in the article about not using the right type of encryption. The problem isn’t the encryption, but the fact that it is sending your keystrokes to the mothership, right?

What was your impression of him?

I am sure this also tastes banging though

Smart people coming up with smart ideas to do dumb things. When will we start shaming such people?

it’s Twitter X

ftfy

I do. Tell us

Okay, it’s an example, but as far as I can see from that second article beyond is just not disclosing. Nevertheless in general plant based foods are way more environmentally friendly than animal based foods. Even the so-called sustainable ones:

https://ourworldindata.org/less-meat-or-sustainable-meat

I think we understand each other.

And to me, a vegan diet is asceticism. That’s just my tastes. You are free to like vegan food, I don’t. I’m sorry I’m not you.

Can’t argue against that. Tastes differ for sure. Except for to say that you’d be the first person who I haven’t blow their socks off with my awesome vegan cooking skills. You’d be seriously surprised with what’s possible :) Most people have not a single clue. Tastes differ, but if I’d be a betting man I’d bet you that you don’t know vegan food nearly as well as you think you do.

And from a climate perspective reduction is always an option. In many cases there are vegan or vegetarian options that are nearly indistinguishable from the original. I mean are you really going to taste the difference between a Thai massaman curry with chicken or with tofu? A spaghetti bolognese with ground beef or with beyond ground beef? The flavor doesn’t come from the meat; it comes from the herbs. And you could consider: do you really need dead pig flesh on your pizza or are there other pizza’s that taste just as good or are there entirely different things that you could eat that would be even healthier and just as satisfying?

When it comes to ethics, veganism is a pretty black and white thing. When it comes climate it’s all gray scales. I have not forbidden myself to fly ever again, but I’ve been taking the train through Europe the last couple of years even though that cost me nearly twice as much time and money each time I did it. Flexitarian, purely from a climate perspective, makes a lot of sense.

Fair enough. But sometimes a minority can be right and a majority can be wrong. That is why we understand arguments based on number of believers to be a fallacy. So are you saying that this guy’s comparison makes no sense? Or are you just making an argumentum ad populum?

Furthermore, Dr. Alex Hershaft isn’t some whacko fringe lunatic. He’s had a pretty impressive career. Please just listen to what he has to say and I’d be happy to hear if you have any substantial counter argument to the comparisons he draws.

Dude, read my comment in full. Emphasis on the word today. I am not saying researching pills is pointless. I am saying that if you really care about the climate, you should refrain from animal consumption until that magic pill has been invented that makes animal consumption okay again in terms of the climate.

Haha, yeah, unlike real estrogen which @Classy@sh.itjust.works probably consumes on a daily basis.

I am not saying that each person should stay within the boundaries of what the planet can currently afford while keeping everything the same. The pie is clearly not big enough. That would surely put a lot of us back in the stone age and therefore is simply not a realistic option. I am saying that we should make more efficient use of our resources using the best of our knowledge (grow the pie). And yes, we should make some sacrifices too (be less greedy). The ones we can reasonably make without losing anything of moral significance. The Paris agreement is proof that there are plenty of people who have looked at these issues in depth and belief that this is doable.

For example, only a small percentage of our energy consumption is powered by solar, wind and nuclear, while the vast majority still comes from coal, gas and oil. It is not like we simply don’t know how to change that. We just don’t want to. It is uncomfortable to change, but we could theoretically make that change a lot faster than we’re doing it now without cutting back much on consumption or sacrificing anything of moral significance.

Likewise, and admittedly on a much smaller scale, you don’t want to change to veganism, which could reduce your carbon footprint from food by up to 73 per cent. And just like switching to clean power sources would not put us back in the stone ages, you’d not end up living like an ascetic if you’d switch to a vegan diet.

But you’re not off the hook just because you’re not the major cause of the problem. We’re all in this together and we’ve all got to act responsibly within our means. How can you expect others to change if you won’t? Should all small countries only change when the big countries change? Should all small cities only change when the big cities change? Should the rich only change when the super rich change? Etc.

And are you even aware where you sit in terms of your income/wealth compared to the rest of the world though? I’m betting that the majority of the world thinks you’re rich. The majority of the world points at people like you and me, you’re pointing to the super rich, the super rich point to the politicians, the politicians point at industry, industry points at the share holders, the share holders point at the consumers, etc.