Hi there.
A short introduction: This is an alt account. I’m a moderator here who has been unhappy with the state of news/political discussions here for a long time. The admins have kindly given me the opportunity to see if we can make some improvement the community here.
We will be doing some major revision of the rules left by the previous moderators and will use discussions in this thread as feedback on the direction we should take our community.
This will be an open discussion on the state of our community, the rules and our moderation practices. Feel free to give your inputs.
To add to that, personally speaking, I do not think multiple ban escalation as shown in the modlog in response to criticism of mod action in direct message is appropriate behavior for our moderation team, nor do I think it should be accepted going forward.
Some mods have also been deleting comments that add context to mod abuse. @naturalgasbad gave me the full DM context for their “bad faith argument” with a moderator (they did not specify which one), which I posted in a comment in the other pinned thread. It’s a rather childish escalation sequence imo. That comment was deleted for “violating Rule 6”, but I have copied it below for the record:
For the record, naturalgasbad sent me their exchange with the moderator, which stemmed from the moderator in question removing SCMP articles due to “SCMP not meeting reliability guidelines.”
@moderator:
@naturalgasbad:
@moderator:
(for reference, the Daily Telegraph is also “mixed due to poor sourcing” and Kyiv Post is “mixed due to failed fact checks”)
@naturalgasbad:
@moderator:
@naturalgasbad
@moderator:
@naturalgasbad:
@moderator:
@naturalgasbad:
@moderator:
Children, please stop fighting.
Wow. What a terrible mod lmao.
“Here’s my point”
-Ban
“Here’s another point”
-Longer ban
Are they 13?
It’s only going to get worse now that the mods are using fresh alt accounts.
no we can’t use our real ones or we’ll possibly get dcma’d
Wow… looks like a Reddit mod leaked into Lemmy.
I removed the comment for publically posting direct messages of a moderator which is in violation of rule 6 but as things are now changing I did not realize that rule was changing. So I am very sorry for deleting your comment we had been told many months ago that appealing a comment or post that was removed is for the meta communities like lemmy.world/c/moderators or lemmy.world/c/support however many times a user will send me a message to talk about it and i have often gone back and restored.
Going forward I won’t be deleting comments regarding moderators and hope that we can have a great community to discuss current events
IMO bad apples don’t suddenly get reformed when rules change. If they’re willing to go on power trips, they’re going to keep going on power trips lol
So I ask you, the community, to keep an eye on our community modlog to keep us honest.
And yet the mods will remove any comments criticizing a mod action.
Ffs
There’s a few people in the current batch of mods who are letting mod powers get to their head.
I can tell you that the mod in the exchange with naturalgasbad and the mod who removed the comments are different.
Nevertheless, dismissing valid concerns about inconsistency in rule enforcement, threats of escalating bans, talking down to our community as children, as well as using mod power to remove valid criticism, as YoBuck has demonstrated, are all unacceptable behavior for LW moderators moving forward and will not be tolerated.
I have requested the moderators in question to apologize here, and based on the sincerity they demonstrate, I would be recommending further actions from our admin team.
I’m not holding my breath waiting for an apology. I might not like mods’ agenda, but they have the power here.
While I did not ban you I may have removed some of the posts or comments in the past that were reported for rule violations.
I apologize if the process for appealing is unclear or if any of your posts or comments were removed in error.
Above all else I apologize if you were made to feel unwelcome here as it has been important for me the past 6 months moderating this community to try and develop a place for discussion from many sides on topics around the world.
Before the most recent additions to the mod team we had a practice of using a 1 day temp ban, 3 day temp ban, 7 day temp ban, and then permanent ban for many rule violations. (the exception being clearly racist trolling type of users) I think it would be good to return to a standardized structure as well as removing the MBFC requirements as the best way to fight misinformation is to prove its bias in comments rather than being the arbiters of good journalism.
I appreciate the work you mods do to clean up the community and respect that y’all can’t be perfect when cleaning up rule violations. I don’t think I’ve had any issues with your moderation in particular (it’s been fair and level-handed as far as I can tell) and I really love to see all the work you’re doing to make this community more welcoming. Looking forward to seeing what the new mod team does!
Happy New Year!
Thanks, I really appreciate that. Happy New Year!
Still waiting for that apology from jordanlund. Figured as much. Some of the mods here are great (or at least have good intentions - I respect that), but one bad mod ruins the bunch.