We’re never going to badger the current DNC corporate shills into working for the people… They’ll need to be replaced before we can hope to stop the ratchet effect and start making real change
I’m sold. Let’s do it.
First step is making a place everyone can access and start collecting information… Any idea how to do that? I’m afraid I’m mostly tech illiterate
2nd step: we need to map out who actually gets to vote for DNC leadership/membership
It’s more important to just build community. It will be a slow waking up for everyone to realize elections are no longer free and fair. A strong community will form a net to catch all these people when they finally do come around.
We built a strong community for/with Bernie… While we had a mission and leadership we got things done too, but as soon as the campaign ended and there was no more guidance, the community basically disintegrated… Community needs a plan and a mission…a mutual goal to work towards as a team… Plan the strategy and pass out roles and people will get on board and join the “community”
Which policy stance are you referring to?
Pretty much all of them… But how about citizens united just to throw out a big one?
Citizens United was upheld in a 5:4 voted by a conservative scotus in 2010, to overturn campaign finance laws written and passed by democrats in 1995 and 2002, and dems actually tried to put back in place some campaign finance regulations with H.R. 1 For The People Act.
In fact, they passed it twice in the house, only for it to get blocked in the senate by Republicans both times.
Thanks for the info!
I guess as a start, the DNC can and should run big money/dark money/bribe free primaries. But they refuse to run free and fair primaries because they only want their corporately anointed shills to make it to the general election. Changing how the primaries are done should be top of the list when we take over the DNC and replace the shills with progressives.
Which Primary in particular do you think was unfair?
The first Obama primary was the last real one
So you think the DNC fabricated 30 Million votes in 2016?
The DNC needs the far right. Without it, their candidates would have to run on actual positions, rather than just “Vote for us because we’re not Republicans.”
That’s not really fair. Democrats voting records and policy agenda are always on point. The fact they can’t win elections to ensure their agenda is the problem.
Too many people on the left have the attitude of “no one likes him because he has no friends” – too stupid to see their own opinion is why the situation exists.
Coupled with being unable to accept they are ever wrong and the blindness to progress that has occurred. The left is its own worst enemy. The right hasn’t had to try painting us as ineffective in decades, we do it better to ourselves.
Democrats voting records and policy agenda are always on point
Lol. LMAO, even.
Show me some democrat policy where they weren’t reaching across the isle that you fundamentally disagree with.
Nah
My point was that their voting record is absolutely not as good as you claimed it to be
What they say they’re for is entirely irrelevant of they don’t actually back it up with their actions
It’s not, you can look at the voting record. I’m pleading with you. Youve swallowed a load of bunk.
It’s not, you can look at the voting record.
It’s not what? This reads like you agree with me
pleading with you. You’ve swallowed a load of bunk.
You have no idea what my actual beliefs might be, I’ve only pointed out that your point was silly
The DNC hires the same consultants for running campaigns that the RNC use so naturally they will all veer right. The DNC has stopped trying to represent the people and wants to get their turn at the money funnel.
Go listen to the Harris campaign featured on pod save america. These losers think they made the right moves, every time, and have no vision for the future that does not acquest to the right wing agenda.
Fun fact, how many eagles they feature in campaign ads doesn’t dictate how right or left a politician is. Their voting history does. DNC as a whole is constantly veering left as polarization increased in the last 50 years.
As an outsider, I’d like to remind you 'muricans that you don’t have a democracy, much less a democratic party. You have two big groups that are kept afloat by big money in need of “favors”
This must be one of the nicest ways I’ve ever seen someone call a group of people morally bankrupt whores without using any of those words
Dems have been right of center for my entire life. It’s only because we have such far-right propaganda about socialism and such in schools that this seems normal.
Edit: when I made some comment / argument on a position in debate class when I was 15yo, the teacher whispered “socialist” to the class. I didn’t even know what that meant. Whatever I said, it was sure to be about helping people and making the world more fair to end up with that comment.
Just to be clear, it isn’t up to DNC committes or legislators to defeat MAGA. That’s our job. We have to go out and convince people to vote for the Democrats. Independents sometimes, too. We need to remove Maga from congress by defeating them in elections, us the citizens have to do that shit.
Stop blaming the solution for the problem we’re making, WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
What?!
The entire point of the democratic party is to get it’s members elected.
And theyre a private party with no obligations to anyone else.
It’s the parties job to convince voters to vote. It’s not the voters job to always pick the lesser of two evils, especially when both parties use every opportunity to become more “evil” by siding with the wealthy more than regular citizens.
WE need to DO THIS. This is OUR JOB.
We’re not the ones who just wasted $1,500,000,000 and paid ourselves millions.
If it’s our job why the fuck are we paying people fighting against us to do it poorly?
I’m not paying you and you’re not paying me, but we can still volunteer, organize events, speak to our peers to get them to vote for whats right, for policy that helps them.
The party’s job is to vote on legislation. Its our job to get them there.
God forbid our public servants step away from the telethon hotline for a few minutes to actually do any fucking serving to begin with or anything…
But honestly, we’re gonna table that for a minute cuz I feel like whatever the fuck you got goin on here might be more urgent
Do you smell toast? You should absolutely google a list of stroke symptoms or something and compare notes real quick bro
Let me put it this way:
The people who are good at ceorcion and convincing others are probably the ones we don’t want in the position.
All I smell is your mom residue after I cleaned out her ass.
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But what matters most is the DNC chair election on 2/2/25.
And I don’t know about you, but I can’t vote in that, so I’m just waiting to see what happens
I’m optimistic though
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Sorry replied to fast:
The party’s job is to vote on legislation. Its our job to get them there.
I think the confusion is I’m talking about the actual party, the DNC.
And you seem to be talking about elected politicians who belong to the party.
Two completely different things.
Candidates for office get picked in Primaries. If you get rejected by the DNC to even be on a ticket then congrats you failed one of the lowest imaginable bars.
It’s absolutely the Dems job to not put up pathetic, loser candidates
Are you planning to run? If not, can it. It’d be a cold day in hell to find a dem worse than a GOP.
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Theres a word for people who criticize others but are no better themselves.
I am not a politician, so nice try with the hypocrite jab
Ever hear of a critic? Someone who critiques the work of others? You one of those people who thinks a film critic should also be a great filmmaker or else their opinion isn’t valid?
Same concept applies to politics
Abstentionists: *Don’t vote for Dems*
Dems: *lose the election*
Dems: *go further right in an attempt to attract more voters*
Abstentionists: *surprised Pikachu*
I cannot believe that the democrats have completely disregarded the lead-up to, the years of the trump presidency, and everything that has followed.
One thing has been starkly and objectively true - republicans place party before country. Even if it hurts them or flies in the face of everything they claim to believe in, they’ll still vote republican. They have internally equated being a democrat to being lower than a pedophile, lower than a felon, lower than a nazi.
So no matter how far right the democrats attempt to go, the conservatives absolutely don’t give a fuck. They will set themselves on fire before they vote democrat. The Democratic Party needs to stop wasting time on them.
Abstentionists will damn themselves and everyone around them on principle. Shitty inconsistent principles at that. I’m angry about that, outraged even. But surprised? Baffled? In disbelief? Never. Dumb fucks ruining everything is just the way of the world.
This is an affirmation of your conclusion, btw. The DNC are stupid, as is the RNC base, as are abstentionists.
Say it louder so people in the back can hear it! This is very true, if Democrats did better in elections they would be able to accomplish more of their goals.
Keeping at bay? The Republicans have the DNC by the throat right now.
I don’t think so. If the DNC wants, they could easily win but they won’t try.
“We could easily win but we don’t want to for some reason”
:/
“For some reason”
pockets lined with benjamins
Lawmakers should be prohibited from having a net worth larger then the median house hold and required to log and post working hours, which should match the 40 hour work week the rest of us have to clock. These fucker’s have it too easy.
Well I’m surprised you aren’t aware that that “some reason” is politicians are cautious not to slight their wealthy backers.
Similar to how Netanyahu’s faction in Israel kept funding Hamas to justify their objectives on control of the state.
Keeping it at bay? The fuck are you smoking
“Ummmmm you’re kidding right? Our owners would never allow that. I was thinking more like swoop in and openly become the new right! Nows our chance to take the economic left mask off and embrace our neoliberalism!”
The left don’t turn out to vote so I expect the DNC to keep chasing people who actually vote and keep moving right.
Thats cause they are running worthless positions. They havent had a real primary since 2008, and have the most bland, status quo politicians. Status quo doesnt work when everyone is struggling to survive.
I think the lack of turn out is due to apathy.
I think it’s kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The left is disappointed with the offerings, so they don’t vote or get involved*. The people who do get involved then call the shots, which leads to more disappointing milquetoast offerings.
*Involved in the actual mechanisms of power. Not complaining on the internet, or voting once every four years. Unfortunately, money is power. I don’t know how to fix that. I pray to saint luigi for guidance.
That maybe the case but the left used to be good at organising. They don’t need to wait for a saviour to come, they have to do the change themselves.
Things like the FBI killing left wing organizers certainly didn’t help (eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Assassination )
Bold to assume the average man gets to pick the candidates.
You’d have to get involved, but as I said I don’t know how to solve for money being power.
I’m glad to see I’m not the only who saw 2008 as the pinnacle year for Democrats and should serve as the blueprint for the present party to copy. Obama was very charismatic and a political operator. He ran on reforming healthcare which worked, even if it’s not socialised healthcare and despite the worst obstructionist Republican Congress in history. The only criticism I would have of Obama was his drone strikes. At this day and age, any sort of American interventionist involvement at any capacity would not fly (no pun intended).
Thing is the left would turn out to vote if any of the candidates represented their interests. Becoming bootleg Republicans isn’t how they win votes.
Guess the Right will just keep winning.
By your logic absenteeists should actually vote republican if they want democrats to court their vote.
They basically did already so why not?
They go to the same parties organised by the same billionaires and their kids go to the same schools and marry each other.
I feel like the LotR “Cast it into the fire!” meme would also work, where the ring is “Rich People Money”
Yeah the American flavor of left actually enables facism. Sadly it’s the same thing you see in places like Germany, UK, Canada, and France. France is relatively better.
Except for the fact that it’s France
