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It doesn’t have to be like this, America. Not only is tipping not expected in Australia, but when the “Choose tip” screen comes up on US made software, all the servers I’ve ever had skip straight through it and choose zero.
Servers deserve to be paid fairly.
“Choose tip” screen comes up on US made software
US corpo parasite is attempting to export this shite so they can charge their parasite fee on higher gross amount…
Pathetic
So hard to get a thank you. Manners these days…
This is why I have stopped dining out, if the business demands excess to then pay staff and without tips staff go unpaid then what is it I am supporting.
I award you no tips, and may God have mercy on your soul!
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The fact you have to say “likely” rather than “outright bullshit” says everything. As an european If america didn’t exist I’d know this image is a joke.
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I also can’t believe it is real, but I wouldn’t discount it as being fake. Similar case below:
https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/business/alaskan-restaurants-100-tip-option-appalls-vacationer/
Your link shows an entirely different tip screen.
It is different, but close enough that I won’t be surprised this is real.
That was followed by an option of 30%, described as “Great;” 50%, rated as “Wow!” and finally 100%, which the tip screen noted was for the “Best Service Ever!” per the outlet
That is one example of it occurring, yes, but similarities with the image presented here and your source end at the 100% tip. Everything else has been modded to bait that rage.
This would get an immediate Custom -> 0% from me the moment I see it.
Fucking “soso” for a 20% tip the hell
If this is in a restaurant after I’ve eaten, it would get 0% and I’d never go there again.
If this is presented to me somewhere you pay before consuming your food/purchase, I’m leaving without paying.As a dev I would try negative value in the custom field.
There’s no 20 it’s 30%!! Insane.
Man I’d leave a 1% tip just in case someone sees it and realizes that it was on purpose because I’m annoyed with the UX
Also, holy hell, am I glad to live in a country that doesn’t do tipping*. It was a bit weird going to the US and not knowing when to tip and when not to, but I doubt I’ll be revisiting y’all in the next 4 years anyway :(
*At restaurants with table service, it’s considered polite, but not necessary, to tip, if you enjoyed the experience.
They know there’s soft, weak people like me that find it painful because the guy in front of you can see it. I mean, I’m a good principled person and I’ve still done it, but I felt like trash in the process.
I guess it was just a matter of time before other classes than the bottom one figured out aggressive panhandling.
but I felt like trash in the process.
the corpo knows, thats why it does it. don’t let corpo punk you like that.
Yeah it’s disgusting
Custom 0%
It ain’t my job to pay your employees salaries
Maybe it’s your job to avoid patronizing places that don’t pay their employees enough though?
No, it’s not, however as a near-minimum wage worker myself, it is also not my job to cover a massive corporation’s lack of proper budgeting…
If you keep patronizing such businesses, why would they ever do that? They know they don’t have to in order to get your money. And it is the same with your own near-minimum wage job. You are working against your own best interests. Nothing will change while people are willing to give their money to companies that don’t pay their workers a fair wage.
Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against tipping if the person did a good job, but a company trying to guilt trip me into giving them a mandatory tip? Nah, that’s bullshit, it’s essentially “Oh, we can’t pay our employees enough, would you mind helping 🥺”. Outta here with that.
Right,so don’t use those businesses. You give them no reason to do anything differently.
All you are doing is helping to maintain the status quo.
I think it is the case of “you think in the right direction, but you don’t do it all the way, so now I’m gonna attack you over this until you stop doing anything”.
Not paying tips is a good start.
Can you give an example of that ever working? Because boycotts sure as fuck work.
Rewarding the employer for underpaying the employees is not, in any way, the right direction, though? Not tipping is just telling the employees “I don’t care if you get paid, so long as I get what I want”
How? Those people just aren’t going to get the money. Its not like the company is going to pay them extra because you didnt tip. Theyve already decided that the wage will be low Your logic doesn’t really make sense
You don’t get it, I think? The point is to get the workers to quit or protest because they don’t get paid enough, so that the place can increase the prices instead so they can pay their workers. If the place is still providing a nice service or good food or whatever it may be, you don’t want it to go out of business. Just make a worker-positive change.
It takes everyone to fix these issues. It is not a one-sided job. Every time you give these establishments money, you help them.
And there is no shortage of replacement waiters out there for the ones who quit.
Most people won’t quit, especially in the US from what I know. If they are already underpaid, how can they quit? And if pretty much every place treats waiters the same, what choice do they have?
I would not, that’s… what I’m trying to imply here… Yeah, businesses who don’t pay their employees enough bad.
I absolutely will pick the no-tips place given a choice, but I take issue with that wording. Basically every business pays as little as possible, by design.
“As little as possible” and “not enough” are two different things.
I suppose, but it’s really hard to separate. You have to pick a cutoff, which in the face of a world full of intangible wealth and costs is hard, and then if you come out with a number that’s too high you basically have nowhere you can shop.
There’s select industries that are super shitty, and I avoid those, but paying minimum wage for unskilled labour is a normal industry. (And, ironically, a lot of the fair-ethical-organic type businesses are super shitty themselves, because everyone wants to get paid extra and some will do horrible things to make that happen)
You’re saying this like it’s necessary to eat in restaurants with waiters. It isn’t. It’s a luxury.
Wait, where are you? I thought I recognised you from .ca, but it sounds like you might be thinking of the US system where they can pay nothing except tips. In my province you earn at least minimum wage as a waiter, and tips.
If I were to just straight up refuse to eat from restaurants under any circumstance, I’d be heavily incurring those intangible costs I mentioned, because it’s an expected social thing. That being said, I might consider it if I was in the US, but I’m not.
Also, tips have expanded well beyond servers, but that’s kind of beside the point.
Well you thought wrong. I was born and raised in the U.S. and lived there until about two weeks ago when we fled.
And in my 47 years in America, I was never in a situation where I couldn’t say, “no thanks” if someone invited me to a restaurant. And who invites you to restaurants and makes you pay?
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I would happily pay more for my meal if it meant I didn’t have to tip. The benefit we get from not tipping is marginal compared to the benefit restaurant owners get by not paying living wage. Not to mention it’s added stress to the actual people doing the work because they don’t even get the guarantee of a decent paycheck.
And there is a choice, you chose to perpetuate the system that grossly exploits the laborer, I choose to have minimal participation in such a system. Want to take a guess which of the two actually has a chance to fix the system?
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But you are defending the system. You’re literally saying if you end up in a place that expects tipping then you should tip. What if you’re going out with a group and that group decides to go somewhere that expects tipping? Are you supposed to remove yourself from the group so you wouldn’t go into a place like that?
You can’t take this black and white stance where if you end up participating in this system you also have to perpetuate that system. Making the customer feel like they’re responsible for the livelihood of the staff is how this tipping culture is kept alive and that is exactly what you’re doing right now. You’re trying to claim we are responsible for their livelihood simply because we stepped into the restaurant and ate.
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Certainly not lol, what a ridiculous thing to say
30% is “soso” but a 100% is only “Thank You”? In this case the 100% should be “Walk over to the other side of the register so the boss can blow You”.
If you can’t afford living wages for your staff so they’re not dependant on tips, your store shouldn’t be open.
Everyone working a job should be making a living wage. “Oh, but then the price of my McDonald’s cheeseburger will skyrocket!!” Fucking good. If it’s not economical to produce a product without abusing people, that product shouldn’t exist. Period. I will die on this hill.
They did away with most of their staff and their prices went up over 100% over the last 5 years or so anyway. It’s corporate greed all the way down.
Paying people a living wage would only increase the price by pennies. This is just another “conservative” talking point without any basis in reality.
What’s stopping McDonald’s from just saying that they need to increase prices by significantly more than that to accommodate the increased wages? Y’know, with lies? It happened with groceries, so I can imagine them seeing this as a good excuse to try to squeeze some more profit out.
Still having customers. Groceries are a basic need, but fast food is a luxury most people are already wanting to cut back anyway. I have been a fan of McChickens for a long time due to them being so cheap. They don’t taste amazing, but they got the job done, and were pretty much the cheapest protein I could get without having to make something myself. Even now, without any additional price hikes, they are now $3.50 for a single McChicken in my area. I cannot justify spending that, so I have completely stopped going to McDonalds. Since all other fast food has already done this before McDonalds, I no longer eat any fast food. They’ve all lost the only quality that made them worth while. Anecdotally, most people I know who did eat fast food don’t anymore due to prices. The higher they go, the more customers they will lose.
That already happened
Greed is a tragically reliable behavior to anticipate from a Corp.
I wonder how many damn products we use on a daily basis that have been produced with some level of abuse along the production chain. Probably easier to count the ones without abuse, eh.
I agree completely, but I still stand by my original point.
Oh for sure. My comment wasn’t meant to undermine your point. Ideally there would be no abuse whatsoever, that should be the minimum baseline. I stand by your point with you, friend.
There’s no hill to assault, I don’t think anybody except the abusers (and the profiteers) disagree with you.
You’d be surprised. In this specific example, many people believe such jobs are meant only for high schoolers and anyone else in that job is too stupid or lazy to do better and therefore don’t deserve better.
Hamburgling used to be a decent profession. Now with such cheap burgers all those skilled workers are left out.
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This would be an automatic “custom” > 0% for me. Sorry, not sorry.
I know tipping culture is extreme, but I’ve never seen 100%. I don’t think this is real.
I can’t find the original image, it’s just been reshared dozens of times on Xitter, Threads, Facebook and Reddit, but nobody is adding context or naming and shaming.
So yeah, probably just ragebait.
Would you like a legit source? I found it in 10 seconds of googling, btw.
Similar interface, different values. Not to say that the one in the article isn’t absolutely egregious as well though, so my point only really matters if you care about OP’s image specifically.
They both top out at 100%, which is what everybody in the thread is disputing for some reason.
I reverse image searched on mobile to try find the origin / source of this specific image to see if it was legit.
I wasn’t excluding the possibility of some company in the world prompting for a 100% tip, hence why I didn’t spend 10 seconds googling for it.
Especially labelling 30% “soso” and 40% “ok”. Unless they are bussing my tables, they get 0%. Otherwise it’s 15-20.
I’ve never seen 25% until 10 years ago
What… “I’ve never seen the least of those until a decade ago”. It’s such a weird comment, like if someone said they got their first EV and you reply with “I never had a vehicle at all until 25 years ago.” See how incredibly odd that is? It’s got major “I like turtles” feel, even though it’s on topic.
I have seen similar suggestion levels including 100% in Vegas, Seattle, and other large metro areas.
If I saw a 30% option described by the establishment as “soso”, I would strongly consider stepping away “to the bathroom” forever.
Would you like a legit source? Why would you assume that just because you’ve never encountered something yourself it couldn’t possibly be real?
Select “Custom” and type 0.00 without breaking eye contact. Be careful, though, that 0.00 can quickly turn into 8.88 if you’re not looking.
You really think it’s the owner and not some poor, underpaid schmuck manning the register?
Yeah, it’s definitely the owner’s fault. That doesn’t change the fact that the underpaid schmuck always tries to blame the customer for not leaving a tip.
The awkwardness here actually works in favour of abolishing tips and replacing them with the pay being factored into higher prices.
No one wants to be the sucker - human nature is that people are generous if they think everyone else is generous, but if they feel that others are not ‘pulling their weight’ on generosity and are instead taking advantage, that’s the fastest way to dry up other people’s generosity. Right-wing media use this fact to undermine support for social welfare - e.g. if 0.001% of welfare payments are fraudulently taken, they set editorial policy that makes it seem like beneficiaries are rorting the system instead of being truly needy.
But when it comes to tipping, the dynamic actually works the other way - people feel generous by tipping, even though it is harmful long term. If a few people ahead of someone in the line don’t tip, should they be the sucker who does tip? And for the employee, you want them to be the advocate on the inside for forcing people to pay their share instead of taking advantage - by having the displayed price be the total upfront price that includes the compensation for employees, instead of an optional tip.
10-15% IF you went above and beyond or performed particularly well. It’s a tip, I am not your employer. I used to be a huge tipper until I realized just how fucked that whole system is. Also, NEVER PRE-TIP. That is insane!
What’s pre-tipping? A tip before you’ve even had service?
Its what you have to do these days if you want your uber to show up in a reasonable amount of time.
Or your pizza to not have been carried on its side, as I learned. That was actually when I quit getting any food out. Tipping is a broken system, and fast food shouldn’t be eaten anyway.
Yup. Delivery services (like DoorDash or Domino’s) and the like tend to do it. They also show your tip to the person. You end up getting service based on your tip instead of the other way around.
In Vegas start with a large pre tip for your waitress. That gets you drunk pretty quickly
Friends were confused how I was wasted when they were barely tipsy
Pre-tipping is how rub and tug’s work. For real.
I don’t think 10-15% has been considered a reasonable tip for “above and beyond” since the 80s. Most will take that as an insult worse than not tipping, funnily enough.
As for pre-tips, they (intentionally?) design the checkout process such that if there’s a pre-tip, there is no post-tip. It’s basically a “don’t spit in my burger” fee.
Complain all you want, but not tipping is straight up taking money from someone who is getting paid $5 an hour. Complain to ownership, write your congressman and state legislators, but not tipping only punishes someone who is barely scrapping by.
Employer is obligated to make up the difference so that perosn gets at least min wage.
So this statement is factually incorrect
I just had a long conversation with my sister, a restaurant server, yesterday.
I remarked that the value the restaurant gets from her didn’t go down because she did a good job. Why should they get to pay her less when she over performs?
I’m not sure she got it.
A couple issues with this take every time it’s mentioned.
- That isn’t on a per-hour basis. That is based on a usually weekly or bi-weekly cycle depending on your state. So if someone made a lot of reported tips on Saturday night, effectively making a couple hundred per hour, and no tips the entire rest of the week, they might still make the overall minimum wage for the week, effectively working 30+ hours for $2.13 an hour (federal tipped minimum) instead of $7.25 (federal minimum) or more depending on the state.
They’re making on average of a good amount, but most of that work is for shit pay no one would ever consider doing at that pay rate. It is very good money during that busy time, but anyone that’s ever worked food service knows busy times like that are an insane amount of work in comparison.
This factoid is, at best, disingenuous. They only have to match minimum wage across the entire pay period, which is typically two weeks long. One bad shift isn’t going to make the employer pay you more, because the other 9 shifts in the same pay period balanced it out to be just above minimum wage. But that one bad shift will be felt by the employee, who went home with less money that evening.
Or even worse, if the restaurant requires tipping out the back of house, situations can arise where the employee ends up losing money in a day. Because if you get stiffed on a big 20 person party, (which happens a lot. Every individual at the party assumes someone else tipped), then you have a massive check with no tip. But the restaurant requires that you pay a percentage of the check (not the reported tip. The total check), to the back of house staff. So if tipping out is 5%, that 20 person party took two hours, and you got stiffed on an $800 ($40 per person. Not unreasonable for a restaurant) check? You’re only making $2.13 per hour (minimum wage for tipped workers) and just had to pay the back of house staff $40 out of your own pocket. You just lost $35.74 in those two hours. Because all of your time was spent catering to that party and you only got paid $4.26 for it.
This arrangement wouldn’t be legal in WA and shouldn’t be legal anywhere.
How any of this my problem?
At best tipping a moral obligation… There is no legal requirement to do so.
Also waiters seem to like this clown system…
When I relaized this, I went back to tipping 15%
If this clown behavior keeps up, it will be 10%.
Sticking that stupid device with 25% will not be tolerated.
At best tipping a moral obligation… There is no legal requirement to do so.
Ah okay, you’re the person who fails the shopping cart test. Got it. If you want to change tipping, most would agree with you. But protesting at the tip line is only hurting the wait staff. I agree that tipping has gotten out of control, and 15% should be normalized again. But I’m the type of person who has no issues with just using the “custom” line and entering my own tip.
Not for each transaction. So not tipping is like reaching over to another table and taking some of their tip for your table. They are still paid less than minimum wage for the service they provided you, but someone else’s tips will still keep them out of minimum wage for the shift.
So yes, at they’re worst they should get at least minimum wage for each shift. But per customer, their rate is below minimum wage without tipping, which is an awful system we need to get rid of.
That’s some mental gymnastics but sure, you can look at it this way.
I didn’t realize that going out to eat required me to get this involved in some shiti food joints business model and compensation structure for their staff.
Note that a lot of tips don’t even all go to the waiter… What’s your excuse for this.
I feel like “mental gymnastics” has become grossly overused, and I don’t think it applies, but regardless you are involved in the shitty food joint’s (read: all that have wait staffs that operate on tips) business model, by being their customer. By going to a business that you know pays their wait staff less that minimum wage, you are agreeing to their shitty business model. So then, not paying a tip is essentially taking a discount on your order at your wait staff’s loss. The business owner isn’t hurt by that, they still get the full rate for the food. And as long as SOME customers pay tips, they don’t have to pay any more (hence the taking from other tables comment).
It is a shitty system, but you agree to participate in it if you go to those restaurants. Which, for sit-down restaurants in the US, is most. If you go to one of those restaurants and don’t tip, you aren’t making some protest against tipping culture, and you aren’t hurting the business owner. You are only saying that the wait staff should be paid at $2.13 per hour to serve you.
Lobby against the labor laws that allow less-than-minimum for tipped employees, or don’t go to restaurants that rely on that model. Anything else, you’re just taking a discount from the wait staffs’ paychecks by not tipping.
And I absolutely can not believe that such anti-worker, pro-business owner bullshit is happening here. I cannot stress enough, you not tipping does nothing to the business owner. Billionaires jack up prices, stifle wage increases, and we’re out here complaining about having to tip a person who otherwise would get $2.13 an hour, because somehow that’s legal.
That being said, starting at 30% is ri-goddamn-diculous.
Also, since I didn’t get to your later point, I’m not sure of its relevance to what I was saying. You have no control (and usually no knowledge) of how tips are distributed. So not sure what you are expecting from me here.
You are only saying that the wait staff should be paid at $2.13 per hour to serve you.
This is not true in my state at all
They get paid base that’s above federal minimum wage.
But you are right, I ain’t got to go out to eat so barely do it anymore due to these parasitic tactics of the owners and strong feeling of entitlement from the wait staff to be tipped 20% or more.
Oh, yeah, that’s a fair addendum: “unless you live in a state that does not allow the reduced minimum wage for tipped employees.” At that point I would agree that tipping is more or less optional.
They frequently don’t.
Report them to the proper state authority… How is this my problem as a consumer?
Am I supposed to hold owners accountable?
Am I supposed to hold owners accountable?
Yes. Don’t go there. Don’t support businesses that exploit their workers. Just because it’s legal that doesn’t make it moral. Slavery was legal as well, we got rid of that shit (mostly, still 100% legal for prisoners).
Your exact logic supports slavery. Might want to think about that.
How would I know what owner does with the tips i paid?
Also tipping is for actual table service. If you just hand me some food I’m not tipping you for handing me food.
I recently ordered some parts for an e-vape online. At the payment page it asked for a tip. I was in disbelief. (I didn’t take a screenshot, but in retrospect I should have.)
No services rendered, no food being made, nobody personally delivering it to my house. But it still wanted a tip, with the explanation that it was “to support our team!”
Where to even begin…
Lol their job is to support their team! That is one of the things they are supposed to do with your money!
Your opinion is a result of class warfare propaganda, to get working class people arguing with each other. Direct your anger to the employer.
Those same people only getting paid 5 an hour have literally fought and complained against any attempts to change the law and bring a proper wage. Why? Because they make more in tips than they would hourly. Whole system is messed up.
Not tipping is not giving my money away for nothing.
Tipping culture creates unwarranted expectations and removes obligations from employers.
I’ve stopped tipping decades ago and won’t look back.
I’m tired of this excuse. These people took the job knowing what the pay rate was, and are demanding the customer pay their salary directly rather than the employer like virtually any other conventional job does. Customers have had it, they’re being told to give employees raises along with rising food costs, even at businesses that don’t do a damn thing for the customer except maybe hand them a to-go box. 20% for that? F no. Grow a spine and demand real pay, people have had it. IDK how I can travel almost any modern place else in the world, pay for a good meal, and only have to leave the approximation of $1 or so for appreciation of the service, but in America I pay for the food and a separate charge for the employee’s “pay”.
Thrn stop going to restaurants that expect a tip. Don’t go to a restaurant and stiff your server. I spent 6 months last year living on $300 a week because people weren’t tipping at the bar i was working at. The bar is still open, but the new bartender is in the exact same position.
You don’t take a job at a restaurant or a bar because your life is doing great. You are there because you have no other options.
I don’t have a problem with tipping. I have a problem with restauranteurs taking the profits and the customer being asked for more and more tips. I can’t help people’s life situations, and I’m sure they aren’t all down on their luck any more than someone working retail. Yeah, I avoid places that expect big tips, so the servers get no tip at all instead of some tip.
Its unfortunately a catch 22 though because continuing to tip kinda enables it to keep happening if everyone stopped tipping then places would likely have to pay a decent wage in order to get people to work as even if you’re extremely desperate for money its still not really worth it to work for tipped minimum wage with no tips also im not sure if it applies to all places but if your compensation + tips falls below the federal minimim wage the company must pay you the difference if I am not mistaken
That’s over the course of a pay period though. So if i make $40 on a slow night, but $200 the next night, that evens out and the boss doesn’t have to pay out.
I am not defending tipping, but change will only happen from the top down. All the full time servers at the restaurant i work at are at “i cant pay my bills” level of struggling right now and we live in a super cheap area. Stiffing your server won’t end tipping, it’s just taking a meal away from them or their kids while the owner is just fine. Legislation is the only thing that will end the system, qnd that’s where the reform needs to happen.
You’re probably right. This shouldnt be an issue for the customer but it its
yeah I basically stopped going to restaurants because is screwed either way. It actually used to be something we would do but the norm became wierd and like so many things nowadays it became just drop out of participation.
Yeah, I’m not defending tipping in the US, but not tipping is only screwing over the server. You don’t end up working at a restaurant because you love it, you are there because your life is a mess and it’s closest thing you can get to a stable job. If you don’t want to tip, then don’t go out to eat.
Back in October i had a guy “leave a tip” that said “Kamala bullshit” because he was mad his double of jack and coke cost $8. I don’t set the prices, i also think it’s bullshit, but i was weeknight bartending because I couldnt find any other job.
Double JD and coke for the equivalent of 5-6 quid isn’t cheap, but it’s definitely not expensive.
yeah but that is what I meant. We did not want to keep tipping at the old norm if it was under tipping so we just stopped being in the system. I have seen the standard go from 10% to 15% to 20% and thats when we stopped. Through most of it 15 was sorta standard and 10 was like I don’t want to stiff you but our experience was not the best and 20 was like omg you were great. stiffing was like I wish I had not come out and this was a horrible crazy experience. Im really not sure the what would actually have to happen for that as it never came up but maybe doing two nazi salutes or something might cause it.
In WA everyone is paid at least 16 an hour, over 20 in Seattle and in many high COL areas.
Believe it nor not, most people do not live in Washington.
This is the case in several states amounting in total to 60M people. For states where another 70M live the tip credit exists but is smaller than the federal number. Many also have a higher minimum as well. For 130 million people the prior statement is inapt.
Point being these rules are local…
In my state 2.25 is not the rule, their base pay is above federal minimum wage
Yes. If you can’t afford to leave a decent tip, then don’t get the service.
If there is a magical amount of money you want to receive so you don’t get pissed off at me, just make that the price.
I’m paying
straight up taking money
lol, where can I find this magical money?
Servers usually have to pay in X% of their total sales to the back of house. So if you stiff me on a $90 check, i lose $3 because i still have to pay that much in. I actually had a slow night where bith tables stiffed me so i actually left the restaurant $4 poorer than when i entered. Because ihad a better night the next shift, the owner was able to average me out so that he didn’t have to pay me more than the server minimum wage.
Custom: 0% HAHAFUCKYOU
Custom: -100%
Infinite money glitch
Be sure to make eye contact as you type in 0.00
The moment they ask for a tip they are not getting anything nor a repeat customer.
Presenting the possibility to tip on the screen is ok, I think. The tone (and from my European perspective the percentages) is, what I find weird.
I agree, the %s are too high, and there should be a “no tip” option there (even though you should tip here especially full service but not counter service), but also the “30% soso?!” Even I’m not tipping this one.
