It’s almost like they’re all part of the same club, despite calling themselves different political parties.
It’s almost like there can be things that exist in this universe which have one side, and then you can flip it over and it has another totally different side, but it’s still the same object regardless of which face it’s showing.
and the greens. why have the greens not put an end to this.
Lmao because they are just as beholden to corporate money as the right
The dems have no coherent message and strategy because they are an attempt to unify basically everything that isn’t the far right under one banner. That means that different politicians under it, and different voters that vote for them, want fundamentally different things. Taking a firm, party-wide stance that satisfies the left wing of the party would risk driving off the segment that is just “conservatives that dont feel comfortable with how openly bigoted the republicans are”, and vice versa. But trying to please everyone by committing to nothing and running on good vibes eventually results in people getting frustrated with voting for a party that doesn’t advance what they want.
And yet Republicans have successfully runs on being everything the left is not under one banner successfully for two decades now, taking over the entire federal government.
That’s because the Republicans aren’t afraid to tell their base they’ll do it all regardless of it contradicts with something else, even if they know it’s controversial, and they push all of it through and let’s everyone know they tried to push it through. They show to their members they have their backs regardless of how stupid it is.
Meanwhile on the Democrat side, you don’t have a single mainstream leader that’s willing to do that and actively squashes anything that might upset the moderates or their donor resulting in no one feeling like the Democrats will actually fight for them because they won’t.
This is something else that the Republicans have always had an edge on.
I can’t remember exactly how the saying goes. Something about trying to serve two masters and you end up pleasing neither. Republicans have learned that message. Democrats have not.
Even before the days of Trump, Republicans have always given one clear, consistent message and you either have to take it all or leave it all. You want the immigration policies? You take all the bigotry and tax cuts for the rich that goes with it. You want religious freedom? Then you take our anti-abortion policies too. If it’s that important to you, then your option is to hold your nose and vote for us. Trump has streamlined the process and put a face to the ideology, but the underlying tactic is the same. One man, one message. Take it or leave it. There is no option B.
Democrats have never learned that. Think of it. Even when Trump isn’t in office, who is the face of the Republican party? Trump. He will be the face of the party long after he’s dead. And his party’s message will be the same as it’s been for decades: This is what the party is all about. Take it or leave it.
Who’s the face of the Democrat party? What consistent message have the Democrats ever sent? They try to be a broad umbrella for everybody who isn’t Republican. They have no party leader. No face of the party. No message. They try to please the independents and centrists and end up pissing off the far left, only to try to please the far left and alienate the centrists. It’s the epitome of trying to please two masters and pissing off both. It’s the epitome of “jack of all trades, master of none”. It has always been this way. They have never, ever learned that trying to please everybody just ends up pissing everybody off. They need to learn one thing from the GOP: Find a message, stick with it, and stop trying to be all things to all people. If the people are on your side about an issue that’s that important to them, they’ll hold their nose and accept the rest.
They try to please the independents and centrists and end up pissing off the far left, only to try to please the far left and alienate the centrists.
Only because they pretend the far left are about “woke” social policy stuff and absolutely refuse to even consider left economic policy.
Not just them, anybody with fucking power. Where is the military right now? Theres a fucken coup happening in plain sight.
I thought this was what the second amendment was for… Well regulated militia and stuff…
well, no, not a coup, a constitutional crisis, but not a coup
It’s not a coup unless it’s from the Potomac Valley region of the US. Otherwise, it’s just a sparkling crisis.
The Four Loko of coups
Eh more bud light than four loko
It’s a distinction without a difference. It’s an unlawful seizure of power.
The Democrats are spineless because a bunch of them are still capitalists and don’t want to mess with the status quo and disturb the money faucet that funds them. They’re just as bought and paid for as Republicans, they just try to hide it behind virtue signaling and empty words.
I was just asking a friend this last Friday. The party is led by out of touch boomers, backed by moneyed interests, and refuses to change. They’d rather not rock the boat or be the cause of a division in our society. Yet here we are, more divided than ever and growing by the day.
At least it wasn’t by their hands?
you don’t see any other actors or forces that have led to division?
There are plenty and too many to list here.
But Democrats, that’s the one?
because they’re paid to be.
“look, there are good billionaires. We’re going to take money from the good billionaires, we won’t accept money from the bad ones.”
The new DNC “leader”
just saw that clip today… this guy is exactly what you expect of the dnc- they’re signalling they haven’t learned a thing. hope democrats are looking forward to jd vance and co.
Neoliberalism.
The exact same reason, regular folks with zero chance to ever be rich in the USA, defend inheritance tax like their lives depends on them… the are ignorant and/or think they are just about to “get there” and don’t want to limits to apply to themselves
What does The Gaurdian expect Democrats to do, without the Constitutional power do it?
In the last election The Executive Branch (Presidency), The Legislative Branch (Both houses of Congress) had their control swing Republican, couple that with Trump having already packed The Judicial Branch (The Supreme Court) with a Republican majority, and that’s the whole ball game.
Democrats seem spineless, because not enough of The American People cast votes in Novembers election to give them to power to do or stop Republicans doing litteraly anything all.
Elections have consequences. More Arab and Latino Americans cast a vote for Donald Trump in Novembers election than have ever voted for any Republican candidate before in American History. Leftists on the other hand spent the Spring and Summer of an election year, on nightly news, marching on every major American city, and taking over University commons across the country, protesting Jews, in support of Islamofascist terrorists, chanting “From The River To The Sea”, and telling anyone that would listen they weren’t going to vote for “Genocide Joe”, which I imaging not only freaked out Middle America, but All of it, with the kicker that Democratic youth vote was the lowest on record this past election, while Republican youth vote was the highest.
Donald Trump won his second term as President of The United States by 2.3% of the vote, and the Left suppressed the Democratic Youth Vote.
protesting Jews, in support of Islamofascist terrorists, chanting “From The River To The Sea”, and telling anyone that would listen they weren’t going to vote for “Genocide Joe”,
Oh hey look it’s the rare genocide supporter that helped cost the election.
Funny they blame people being against genocide by Nazi state like Israel yet stay silent on the millions of dollars Kamala received by Zionist lobbyists to continue a campaign so disliked by everyone.
The way I saw the last election was like this:
People were demanding the Dems to stop supporting genocide, but Kamala was not going to make any changes on that front.
However, any other option would wind up allowing Trump to happen, which is just objectively a worse scenario.
It’s like we all saw a horrible fire headed our way and we needed to choose which bus to get into. People advocating for the blue bus knew it wasn’t the most ideal bus since they were helping throw gasoline on an external fire in another place. But the red bus wanted the fire and was the cause of the fire and clearly wasn’t going to stop throwing gasoline on that external fire anyway. People were protesting that the blue bus needed to stop helping put gasoline on that or else they won’t help people get on the blue bus. And now we’re stuck with the red bus and we’re all on fire.
Granted, the protesters weren’t necessarily the strict cause of us being stuck with the red bus and us all being on fire, but they sure didn’t help. And them acting morally superior is childish considering they didn’t help us try to get out of our own fire and the external fire is not any better due to the red bus, so their protest effectively did nothing anyway as everyone else already knew was going to be the case.
Funny they blame people being against genocide by Nazi state like Israel yet stay silent on the millions of dollars Kamala received by Zionist lobbyists to continue a campaign so disliked by everyone.
Funny that the anti-electoralists and protest vote crowd were just fine with enabling the installation of another nazi state but in the US that would provide more support to the ongoing genocide and expand it to other areas like LGBTQ+ people and aiming to start another world war. The least that they could do is take responsibility for their actions but, I don’t see that happening.
ongoing genocide
Uh… Why do y’all forget that there’s a ceasefire going on right now? There’s a ceasefire that Trump was at least part of achieving, so while Israel is still up to their normal levels of Apartheid, the capital Gaza genocide is over, or at least paused.
The least that they could do is take responsibility for their actions but, I don’t see that happening.
That’s never going to happen. They’ll just downvote you to feel better about themselves.
Take a look at my post history, including in this very thread. Despite repeatedly asking, I have never had a single one of these morons ever actually answer the question of how allowing Trump to return to power was in any way better. The most they do is either downvote silently because they know they have no answer, or just tell me to go fuck myself.
And I don’t expect to ever get an answer either. I’m going to keep asking because I think the downvotes are hilarious. But I don’t actually ever expect to get a serious response.
Well here’s a serious answer: Allowing Trump to return to power is collateral damage, and really bad collateral damage but it was simply unacceptable to allow Harris to win the election with that mess of a platform. One would hope for a mass movement to resist Trump during or after election seasons, but American leftists are too spineless to do anything other than complain so the end result is… this mess.
Well here’s a serious answer: Allowing Trump to return to power is collateral damage, and really bad collateral damage but it was simply unacceptable to allow Harris to win the election with that mess of a platform.
Explain how allowing Trump to return to power was better in any way. Pick something, anything that was so unacceptable that you couldn’t vote for Harris and explain how allowing Trump to return to power was the better option. Pick multiple things if you want.
You don’t stop shooting yourself in the foot by pointing the gun at your head instead.
One would hope for a mass movement to resist Trump during or after election seasons
So your plan was to allow him to return to power and just hope to be able to resist later? You didn’t think this thing through very well, did you?
but American leftists are too spineless to do anything other than complain so the end result is… this mess.
And exactly what do you expect them to do now that you’ve stripped them from all power at every level of government? And wouldn’t it have been easier to just hold your nose, vote for Harris, and prevent this situation from occurring in the first place?
So first I’m not American, so I didn’t do anything, but that aside:
Explain how allowing Trump to return to power was better in any way. Pick something, anything that was so unacceptable that you couldn’t vote for Harris and explain how allowing Trump to return to power was the better option. Pick multiple things if you want.
The GOP is obviously a lost cause, but the DNC doesn’t have to be. Allowing the DNC to succeed in the election after their attempt to shift to the right again would set the precedent that they can do whatever the fuck they want and people will still vote for them. Then your two options become the fascist GOP or the now actively harmful DNC, and there’s nowhere that can lead other than GOP fascism. Between the choice of Trump now or JD Vance in 8 years, Trump now is the better choice if it will allow you to avoid JD Vance in 8 years. Which leads to my other point:
So your plan was to allow him to return to power and just hope to be able to resist later? You didn’t think this thing through very well, did you?
The ideal scenario would be mass Democrat protests (and other direct action such as strikes if and when protesting fails) when the DNC nominated Harris without a primary that would lead to the nomination of a competent candidate or at least a better platform for Harris than the monstrosity she ran with. I mean Republicans in her cabinet? Border wall? Just yikes. Anyway the American public chose to stay silent here. The less ideal but still workable scenario would be a Democrat mass movement riding the wave of Abandon Harris and the Uncommitted movement to, again, force the DNC to relent on their unpopular platform. The American public either stayed silent or actively ridiculed these movements, telling them to “hold your nose and vote for her”. From that point onward there was no happy ending and the only thing to be done was damage control. With that in mind let’s think about how the damage could be controlled: One way would be, as you said, to vote for Harris and try to avoid the current situation. That allows you to bet on Trump dying or being convicted before 2028, but in the case he wasn’t he was 100% going to win in 2028 because Harris’s platform put to action was going to piss off everyone to the left of Dick Cheney, and her being a black woman would piss off everyone to the right of Dick Cheney. Also, even if Trump was out of the picture before 2028 you’d run the risk of the GOP nominee being an actual good politician riding the Trumpist wave to destroy the country worse than Trump—who is fundamentally limited by being dumber than a sack of potatoes— ever could. Standing in the face of all this would be a DNC that learned from their 2024 victory that being outwardly rightwing corporate stooges works. The short of it problem with a Harris 2024 victory was that nothing Harris was going to do in her term was going to prevent a Trump/Trump clone from winning 2028. “Let’s cross that bridge when we get to it” doesn’t work when American leftists have proven time and time again that they don’t know how to cross bridges. The other option is… well, you’re living it right now. Again, nothing is going to happen without a mass movement against Trumpism and for progressive economic policy so if nobody does anything (which seems to be the case) y’all are toast but that was going to be the case no matter who won the 2024 election.
And exactly what do you expect them to do now that you’ve stripped them from all power at every level of government?
The DNC isn’t leftist, just to make that clear. By leftists I mean actual American people with leftist values, and as for what they can do… well, there are many things but you can ask the French or the Spanish. Spaniards went on a general strike in October where
they called the country to come to a complete halt until the government breaks its diplomatic relations with Israel, as well as its commercial and military ties that include a weapons trade valued at over one billion euros.
Now I’m not talking about solidarity with Palestine here, but this is one way to make your government do something it doesn’t want to do. So why are we not hearing of Americans going on strike to stop the Trump government from ruining the country?
And wouldn’t it have been easier to just hold your nose, vote for Harris, and prevent this situation from occurring in the first place?
See above.
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So you decide that the best course of action is to allow a man who has explicitly stated he just wants to see the whole place razed to regain power? How did that help Gaza at all?
Well the guy who explicitly stated he just wants to see the whole place razed got the ceasefire Biden “tried” and failed to achieve for 15 months, which I’d say helped Gaza.
Sure, in the same way Reagan “got the hostages released” – by colluding with another fascist to make each other look good, so they can gain power and execute their agenda (and their enemies) later.
You’ve been played and you don’t even realize it.
Okay I won’t deny that this possibility exists—though I don’t think it’s likely either—but okay, and? Muslims in America wanted one thing: A Gaza ceasefire. Biden didn’t give them that, but Trump did. Therefore the idea that Trump was going to or is funding the genocide harder than Biden did is simply false.
In an “ends justify the means” way, sure. (And I’ll concede that an ends-justify-the-means victory is still a victory some are willing to accept). He basically threatened to nuke and pave the place if Hamas didn’t give up the hostages. So if you consider that a win, then sure. Trump basically “won” by saying he’s going to turn up the genocide, and maybe he’ll hold back the genocide for a little while if Hamas gives up the hostages. And that’s where we are now. Gaza gets to exist until Trump says they don’t.
He basically threatened to nuke and pave the place if Hamas didn’t give up the hostages. So if you consider that a win, then sure.
Hamas was never the ones stopping the deal from happening; that was always Israel, whom Trump told in no uncertain terms to end the war or else. I won’t deny the possibility that Hamas was also pushed along by Trump, but remember that Hamas wanted to give up the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire. That was the whole point of taking hostages back in October 7th, and they accepted the deal when Biden first presented it in May.
Why do you think Hamas suddenly accepted the deal they got presented by Biden earlier?
Uh… Hamas had always accepted the deal? They accepted the deal when Biden presented it in 2024.
What does The Gaurdian expect Democrats to do, without the Constitutional power do it?
I’ve been asking this since the election, and the best answer I get is being told to go fuck myself.
The GOP has control of all three branches of government, along with over half of the state governments. Every single state in the country swung to the right in this election, to some degree. They get to spend at least the next two years, most likely four, having the power to do exactly nothing but sit back and watch. The most they can do are angry tweets and messaging bills that won’t even make it to the floor, let alone get a vote. What the fuck does anybody expect the Democrats to be able to do about it? The last available option is the Senate where Democrats can still throw a monkey wrench into the works until the GOP decide to yank the fillibuster. And once that’s gone – and it will be gone – Democrats will literally have no power other than to sit there and be benchwarmers.
You had your chance in November, but at least some of you decided to stay home because “Genocide Joe”, “old man bad”, or “teh price of muh eggz” and when you’re told that Trump would be worse saying “Yeah but at least its different”. Well, this is what you get. Elections have consequences, and you just gave Trump all the power to do anything he wants because fuck you that’s why. You don’t get to complain now when all Trump is doing is delivering on the promises that he spent his entire campaign explicitly making. You don’t get to act all shocked and surprised now.
The time to do something about this was November 5, 2024. And Democrats as a whole decided to take that opportunity and hand power right back to Trump.
I’ve been asking this since the election, and the best answer I get is being told to go fuck myself.
Well state governments, for one, should be doing a lot more to resist Trump’s rampage. I mean that fucker withheld FEMA money from California right? Why is nobody saying anything about that?
Well state governments, for one, should be doing a lot more to resist Trump’s rampage. I mean that fucker withheld FEMA money from California right? Why is nobody saying anything about that?
The GOP have control of over half the state governments and are fully on the Trump train. As for the other states, exactly what do you expect them to do about it?
Admittedly I don’t know much about the nitty gritty of states rights in America, but again at least say something when the Trump-led federal government interferes in your affairs. The two examples that come to mind are the FEMA money thing and Trump opening wholly unnecessary dams in California.
I guess the debate is if that’s indicative of how well they represent the voters.
Whatever. Voters gave all the levers of power to the rebuplicans. Now don’t come asking for democrats to come to the rescue when they have no power at all.
I mean yeah, but the better use of time is covering the takeover.
In related news, frog with all legs removed becomes deaf.
