Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.

“I agree,” he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying “it’s time” for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.

The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration’s “America First” agenda.

The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.

U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.

Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine “can forget” about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.

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            I know. But I’m always uncomfortable when I read that “meat shield” thing. He’s too young to be included in any discussion or remark regarding his father. When he’s older, if he turns out to be a shithead too, there’s plenty of opportunities to bash on him too. But for now, I think he should be left out entirely, for the sake of giving him a chance not to become a shithead.

            Same reason why I happily bash on Don Jr. and Eric but never on Barron Trump.

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              I get what you are saying, The kid is not the problem though. Describing the child as a “meat shield” is not a dig against the kid. It’s about what Elon Musk, the child’s father, is doing to him. Elon Musk is wearing his own son over his head to keep from getting shot when he goes outside. He is using his own child as a human shield. Elon Musk has turned his own flesh and blood into a meat shield!

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                It’s extremely abusive behavior. If he cared about his children he would post child support and be around with them doing wholesome, life-affirming things.

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              That doesn’t change the fact his father is using him as an anti-assassination accessory. It’s in no way criticizing the kid, but calling out his father’s abhorrent behavior. In fact we should call it out because maybe it will shame Musk into stopping (of course it won’t).

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                That doesn’t change the fact his father is using him as an anti-assassination accessory.

                Do we even know that for sure though?

                I always thought the “meat shield” thing was a tasteless joke that someone came up with when the Herr Musk brought the kid to the Oval Office and turned the White House into a fucking daycare center. As far as I know, it’s not like Musk brings the kid everywhere he goes: he’s got his deputized SS goons to protect him.

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              First off A man is using his child as a prospective bullet sponge because he knows his behavior has made people want to kill him and you want to leave that out of the discussion? The kid isn’t the one doing one of the worst things a human can do

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                First off A man is using his child as a prospective bullet sponge

                Honest question: how did you come to that definitive conclusion?

                What I saw was Musk putting his son on his shoulders. My dad used to do that with me, and plenty of dads do that with their children, and they don’t use them as bulletproof vests. Did you deduce this is what Musk was doing because he’s so obviously a psychopath, or did you see something physically different from what other dads do in his handling of his son?

                I’m not trying to stir up controverse. I can well believe Musk did use his son to protect himself, knowing what a terrible man he is. It’s just that I really didn’t see anything out of the ordinary when he put his son on his shoulders - aside from the fact that doing that in the White House was inappropriate. So I’m genuinely curious to know how everybody has come to that conclusion.

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                  Fair enough. Its within the realm of what could be considered normal father behavior… However, go look for photos of Elon out in public pre and post Luigi.

                  Report back what you find.

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                  It’s unprofessional to be carrying the kid everywhere, potentially into meetings where state secrets are discussed. Certainly a lot of what’s happening is unprecedented, but the kid is just such an odd prop to have around, coupled with that Elon doesn’t otherwise seem to care about parading his children before now, that it leads to the conclusion that it is either a stunt or as protection.

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          14ish years from now “will no one rid us of this damn billionaire’s kid?!”

          When you plant shit seeds you get…

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            You are criticizing the child of a fascist for the actions of his father, and using fascist rhetoric to do so.

            Disgusting.

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            It’s well documented that he’s estranged from one of his kids. And it’s not like his behavior has gotten better over time.

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            Reproduction of the physical is not the issue. Reproduction of abhorrent ideals is, though.

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      No please wait until after the US left those groups. They have been blocking so much important stuff for decades, i cant wait for the UN to get rid of the US. Then you can guillotine him.

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    Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.

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      Russia magically inherited the USSR’s security council seat even though they are not the USSR. When the US collapses, which part gets their old seat? (I vote we give it to Canada personally)

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      Good. It’s faaaar past time america stops policing the world and having a seat at the big kids table, trump is a child. I do however think it’s far past time Europe polices Europe, no one will ever take over the US so we have no need for the UN. We don’t need to pay for all those other countries defenses or be involved in theor policies. Let them sort it out.

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    Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

    claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration

    Checks out.

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        Except even the UK at it’s most anti-EU still understood that NATO and the UN helped them more than it cost them.

        The strength of the US as a power and economy would be devastated if they forfeited their standing in those organizations. Particularly the UN hardly demands anything of the US but broadly caters to US sentiment. It’s a super cheap channel to exercise US soft power.

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    If the US leaves the United Nations, does that mean they lose their security council veto power even if they somehow rejoin later?

    Seems like something the other former global superpower, Russia, would be very happy to see happen.

    I fail to see how this advances America’s interests whatsoever. Republicans are huffing glue again.

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      That’s a similar case to UK leaving the EU. They had a lot of provisions just for them - tax exempts etc. If UK decides to rejoin they will have to renegotiate the terms and EU will not want to grant them the same relief as they had in the past.

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    To once again prove how much of an utter dumbfuck both of these guys are.

    The United States (along with UK) were the first two members of NATO. Making them the founders, so the United States is a founder. If Trump cared about there being an “America First”, this should have been no concern of him because it was after-all part of an American idea.

    The United States (along with other countries) was the original founding member that started the United Nations. If Trump cared about there again being an “America First” agenda, this also should never have been a concern since this was an American idea.

    America apparently is not a priority when you consider these facts. It’s more like “Trump First” than “America First”.

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      America First was the slogan of the isolationist/anti-interventionist/pro-Hitler forces of the US in the 1930’s and the 1940’s. History never repeats itself, but it rhymes. I think many Americans are not aware that there is a substantial segment of the population that agrees with Hitler’s original thesis and just feel that he executed the war poorly. The Nazi rhetoric and holocaust denials are very deliberate and the destruction of the liberal world order that formed in the aftermath of World War II is the ultimate goal. I’ve strongly felt that the Ukraine war was the single most important issue in the 2024 election and the common goal of destroying the western led world order is what the project 2025 team, Trump, Putin, and Tucker Carlson all have in common.

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    Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.

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    Leaving NATO would cost the US over $100 billion in arms sales annually, so they won’t do it. But to have and eat their cake they just don’t need to honour article 5

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      Idk, Trump already tried it at the end of his last term. These people don’t have the USA’s best interests in mind.

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    Yes, please. Removing the US from NATO has the advantage that countries like Ukraine and Georgia can sooner join NATO. Since Russia is hostile to them, Trump (who is a Russian asset) would never let them join NATO. Getting the US out of NATO removes Trump’s vote.

    The US can no longer be expected to fulfill its obligations to NATO anyway, so removing the US doesn’t decrease NATO’s total defensive power. Trump has said he would refuse to help unless other NATO countries increase spending (which is happening slowly, but not yet). Trump would never deploy the military to defend against any attack by Putin. He may even deploy the military to assist Putin.

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      Trump has said he would refuse to help unless other NATO countries increase spending (which is happening slowly, but not yet).

      the u.s. itself doesn’t even spend what the fucktard wants other nato countries to spend on defence (five percent gdp). and some proposed cuts would actually put u.s. defence spending below even the current nato target of two percent gdp.

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    It’s terrifying to see these madmen ruining organizations created solely for peacekeeping and conflict aversion.

    I hope this won’t come to fruition. No, let me rectify… THIS CANNOT COME TO FRUITION. In contrast to what many Americans think, the distance between Russia and the U.S is 55 miles away. 55 miles between Alaska and Russia. Why would one think that Russia won’t stop after they completed the checkmarks in knocks on wood Alexandr Dughin’s “The Foundations of Geopolitics(1997)” thesis?

    Considering they broke several ceasefires and agreements/treaties/memorandums, why would one think they wouldn’t have pretenses of annexing Alaska back, hence reverting the purchase by force from the U.S? (View the Alaska Purchase 1867 sale)

    Let that sink in and meditate upon the requirement of an organization meant to halt The Russian Federation expansion.