• Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    44·
    2 days ago

    Tbf the admins of lemmy.ml are the ones who actually develop the service. They deserve our thanks also.

    • starman2112@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      17·
      2 days ago

      Thank Dessalines for Lemmy and Jerboa

      People who name themselves after genocidal warlords can make some pretty good software

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      30·
      2 days ago

      I can thank them for their development efforts, but not on how they run their instance.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        29·
        2 days ago

        ‘I would like to enjoy the benefits of collective efforts without supporting the political ideology that makes it possible in the first place.’

        • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
          15·
          2 days ago

          Are you sure it’s possible because of toxic ideology, or despite it? I may want to see the math on that.

          • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
            15·
            2 days ago

            You can’t think why people interested in collective benefit and free dissemination of tools, while rejecting free markets and the profit motive, might have some meaningful overlap with believing in socialism?

            • Natanael@infosec.pubEnglish
              9·
              2 days ago

              There are endless positive but fundamentally dysfunctional ideologies. Anything which doesn’t address how large populations behave is dysfunctional.

              • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
                7·
                2 days ago

                That’s why a system like China’s is the only sensible one for a large country in the present world order - leaving important things up to unregulated markets and media is an abdication of responsibility.

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            2 days ago

            There are any number of capitalist platforms. Yet here you are on one developed under communist principles. And still too indoctrinated to work out the connection.

          • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            The toxicity of the ideology vs the toxicity of users describing or supporting an ideology.

            It’s like asking if NASA went to the moon because of the NKVD or despite the NKVD.

          • kuato@lemmy.worldEnglish
            12·
            2 days ago
            • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              9·
              2 days ago

              Spamming links with quotes that are unrelated?

              The point was that the tankie triad are authoritarian, that’s just a fact

              • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
                12·
                2 days ago

                “authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs. Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.

                • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  8·
                  2 days ago

                  “authoritarian” is a buzz word that left-liberals like yourself use to attack any country that has successful left-economic programs.

                  Not how I’m using it here, which is a direct comment on how a Lemmy instance is run. If you want to pretend the tankie triad aren’t authoritarian then you’re too stupid to discuss anything with, honestly

                  Whether you realize it or not, you have been trained to deploy this label in defense of US empire.

                  No, I haven’t, I’m one of the filthy socialists who argue in favor of many of the ideas of those regimes. You just see someone pointing out the bad of the tankie triad and make assumptions that I’m not firmly on the left and just disgusted by how high they are on the compass compared to me

              • kuato@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12·
                2 days ago

                What did the “authoritarian” Lemmy instances do, make you eat your spinach? 😂

        • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          This can be done under right wing libertarianism as well. Or general green people. Idk.

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    2 days ago

    So just openly anti-leftist and trying to promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform. Real big brain move, doofus.

    New Lemmy users, be aware: a lot of the Reddit astroturfers duplicate their efforts here. Lemmy.ml is a leftist and anti-war instance, so it gets a lot of pushback from the astroturfers. Be immediately suspicious of anyone talking shit of Lemmy.ml. It’s mostly bad actors and pro-war people.

    Also, Lemmy.world is chock full of the same abusive and sketchy power mods from Reddit.

    • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyzEnglish
      35·
      2 days ago

      .ml also has quite a few USSR- and China-fans (apologists for their crimes, going as far as praising Lenin/Stalin/Mao and similar leaders)

      And I wouldn’t call .ml anti-war, just look at their stance on Ukraine for example (very common: “Russia had to do it because of the evil west”)

      Calling Lemmy pro-corporate just reads like a joke. The entire point of it is to be independent from companies.

      I also wouldn’t recommend Lemmy.world simply because it isn’t healthy when one instance gets too big.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        2 days ago

        Never said Lemmy is pro-corporate. The anti-Lemmy.ml posters are.

        By “apologists for their crimes,” you’re referring to Lemmy.ml users providing sources dispelling the western hoaxes. Yes, they tend to be better educated and don’t simply repeat western propaganda that’s been debunked.

        • pumpkinseedoil@mander.xyzEnglish
          16·
          2 days ago

          They’re “disproving” “western hoaxes” like the holodomor or uyghur suppression, and praising the USSR and China for being so kind to its inhabitants…

          And how is OP trying to “promote Lemmy as another pro-fascism and pro-corporate and pro-war social platform”?

          • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
            9·
            2 days ago

            holodomor

            Nobody is denying that the Soviet Famine happened, what they deny is the totally fabricated claim that it was a targeted genocide against Ukrainians.

            uyghur suppression

            Nobody is denying that there was/is a police crackdown, what they deny is the totally fabricated claim that it is a targeted genocide against Uyghurs.

    • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
      27·
      2 days ago

      lemmy.world news and politics subs are ran by neo lib regime apologists… they follow reddit censorship model.

      when the dead CEO happened, they lied they were blocking Luigi discussion because they were legally obligated to do this. that turned to be a fucking lie because the main Luigi sub i hosted on lemmy.world now

      The bans will come, just block those communities, there alternatives where proper discourse is permitted.

      Reddit rebranded censorship into “modding” but you have to be stupid not to see what this is actually about. The parasite class does not want people having independent discussion on how they are fucking us.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        I’d say the powermods here can be even worse. Immediate bans for anything even slightly leftist in those communities.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      26·
      2 days ago

      Lol .ml is not leftist, they’re authoritarians.

      .ml site-bans people for their speech even on other instances, now that’s a page right out of the reddit power tripping mod handbook when you’d get banned from a sub because you interacted with another sub they didn’t like

      https://lemmy.world/post/26416571

      https://lemmy.world/post/26047186

      At least here the modlog is public and I can document the speech that .ml actually removes

      • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        20·
        2 days ago

        I do think .ml is a little too intense, but op is also kinda right about .world imo. Come to dbzero, we’ve got anarchism and piracy

          • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            11·
            2 days ago

            Hate to break it to ya, but most people on Reddit are in fact anti-tankie

            Also please show me my last post on this because it has been a while lmao

            • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
              9·
              2 days ago

              I think “most” people just believe uncritically the things they were taught growing up, that is until something happens that shakes that belief and they either choose to double down or reexamine their previous assumptions. All the new western tankies from the past decade-ish aren’t coming from nowhere!

            • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
              8·
              2 days ago

              Anti-tankies aren’t getting banned because they’re not supporting leftists and Luigi, genius. They’re allowed to stay on Reddit and post NATO propaganda to their heart’s content.

              • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                9·
                2 days ago

                Tankie!= Leftists, Tankies = authoritarians

                For example, I myself 1000% support Luigi and shit on my gov all the time lmao

                But I am absolutely anti-tankie, because I do not support authoritarianism regardless of if it’s the US or China/Russia

                • surph_ninja@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  10·
                  2 days ago

                  Yes, you’ve attempted to play yourself off as leftist-adjacent to push these topics before. We’ve gotten into back and forths on this multiple times, and every time you’re provided a source that the western talking points you’re pushing are debunked, you repeat the State Dept propaganda verbatim.

        • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          9·
          2 days ago

          True, I think .world does over do it a bit, but I think it’s more just because they’re such a large instance that bad moderation decisions are much more frequent

          Unlike .ml, where the mods/admins methods push a clear narrative

          • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            8·
            2 days ago

            Censorship I agree with is still censorship. I’m not a free speech absolutist but I realize that my views are not universal. For example, a Nazi would say I’m pushing the narrative that there is a single human race

      • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        Thank god you’re documenting the very important and widely censored speech like… checks links “we were gonna ban you anyway!!”.

        Phew, this constructive dialogue will not go unheard by the people. Free speech is restored.

    • Imhotep@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      2 days ago

      my fucking sides

      new users, either believe we’re alt right astroturfers, or go to the tankie servers, familiarize yourself with their ideas, make your own opinion

        • Imhotep@lemmy.worldEnglish
          26·
          2 days ago

          I’m glad we can agree on this.

          I was on .ml about 2 years before .world existed and discovered tankies and their ideas

          russia amassing troops on the ukrainian border? just exercises, don’t believe western propaganda.
          Days later, invasion. well no it’s actually ukraine invading russia (I shit you not)
          oh well ok it’s a “military operation”, but that’s because they’re nazis, and bio weapon laboratories to attack russia. Etc,etc

          If you have 2 braincells compare tankie and far right talking points, and underline the similarities

          • Sootius@lemmy.worldEnglish
            8·
            2 days ago

            Please link the upvoted opinions that you claim exist like “Ukraine is the one invading Russia” and agreeing it’s “just a military operation”.

            You won’t, because you’re making this shit up. And I know you won’t because I’ve challenged far too many people to provide evidence of the wide variety of made up shit and none of them ever have.

            • Imhotep@lemmy.worldEnglish
              15·
              2 days ago

              it’s most likely from yogsaron yogtos or agreeable landscape

              I took screenshots, I’ll try to dig for them

              Edit: so it was Donbas invasion, my bad, it’s hard to remember bullshit. if I find enough screenshots maybe I’ll make a post to show what c/worldnews on .ml looked like before the reddit migration. Here you see some resistance, but believe me it was mainly tankies, and those absurd posts were upvoted. Sometimes people were trying to inject some sanity, but against the incessant flow of upvoted propaganda, would cash out.

              Typical post mocking the absurdity of an invasion (they were a dime a dozen):

              • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
                5·
                2 days ago

                For like three months before the invasion, Western sources were egging it on with everything they had. Tankies mostly got it wrong by assuming that Putin would be smart enough not to take the bait, because we all recognized that it would be a disastrously bad idea.

                Oh hey we were right about that much at least.

                • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  9·
                  2 days ago

                  Look at the mental gymnastics required so they can end the comment with

                  Oh hey we were right

                  And feel better about themselves. Pathetic

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      14·
      2 days ago

      Basically, Tankies are authoritarian bootlickers pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend/just western propganda.

      Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle. So, many instances defed from those 2.

      .ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Because of that, and a lot of the lemmy support forums being on .ml, they tend to get handled with “kid gloves” more or less by most instances.

      You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and https://lemmy.world/post/26416571 https://lemmy.world/post/26047186 if you want to see more.

      ___

      • NotLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Thanks! TIL I have a tankie in my extended family lol. Whenever we’ve talked about Russia/Ukraine or really anything, the response is ‘but what about the dems!’. Its weird to have someone who’s educated and seems quite rational in most ways actually believe that the pre-trump US was worse than Russia, where you really can’t be a journalist without falling out of a window. Another of their favourite arguments is ‘stop imposing your western values onto other cultures who don’t want them’ SMH. Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.

  • Cycadophyta@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    38·
    3 days ago

    Remember to donate to your server admin. Running a server is expensive, not to mention the time and effort that goes into maintenance

  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.eeEnglish
    17·
    2 days ago

    didn’t the triad literally create the Fediverse? I don’t like them either but that deserves a little respect

  • sharetload@aussie.zoneEnglish
    20·
    3 days ago

    Ex-Redditor reporting for duty. Thank-you for being a friend 🫡

    Y’all need to work on getting r/popculture here - from Kardashian posts to getting SLAMMED for supporting Luigi is the journey we all need to be on.