Well, you’re posting anti-trans rhetoric (talking about regret rates without mentioning that they are much lower than almost any others, talking as if people weren’t well-informed about the risks during the multi-year process it takes to transition etc). I can quote your whole post back to you if it helps you? But you can just scroll up and read your own comment, it’s a neat function of messaging boards.
Implying that the current levels of informed consent aren’t enough to properly inform people, and further implying that large amounts of regret exist due to transitioning, is without question anti-trans.
As was mentioned, it’s a long process. With still 1%, which is a very conservative estimate, regretting it after all those years, all that information. I feel this should be mentioned.
What you did not mention however was the 13% that stopped transitioning and started detransitioning. The previous 1% only takes into account completed transitions. Since it’s a lengthy process, there are many that stop during the process.
That should also be mentioned and the fact that you willingly choose to omit it shows you do not want informed consent.
Wow, you really can’t scroll up? Fine, here’s your previous comment:
Weird how you left out the links of studies, reports of people that actually do regret it. I mean should we just ignore those people?
If you want kids to be able to make these decisions, you will have to inform them. Properly. Not just paint them a nice picture. That’s what you’re currently doing. Not informing them and painting nice pink pictures.
It is not sunshine and rainbows for everyone. There are trans people who regret it. Ignoring that fact is being dishonest with yourself and the transcommunity.
Not sure why you’re telling me I didn’t mention some 13% number, when I didn’t mention any numbers at all. Yet it’s even more weird that you’re not bringing up that even those 13% are lower than most other medical interventions. Again, why do you keep focusing on trans topics, when other medical interventions have this issue to a much larger degree?
Why do you want to diddle small children/spread anti-trans rhetoric?
If your issue is regret of medical interventions, why are you focussing on one of the medical interventions with the lowest regret rate? Why not invest your time in one of the many other interventions with massively bigger regret rates? The easy and obvious answer is that you have issues with trans people, and you haven’t given any explanation when I asked you multiple times, strongly supporting that thesis.
Even 13% is much lower than most medical interventions. Why do you not know this? If you do, why do you lie about it?
Why don’t you want people to know the truth? Why are you going Elon here? What are you trying to hide?
You are hilarious. Not in a good way. You are incapable of having a normal discussion. You always, without fail go for the ad hominem. Your conduct here today is a disservice to the trans community.
Because there is nothing here to discuss. You bring up the same old tired talking points which are always brought up by transphobes:
“They aren’t telling patients about the risks and dangers, I just want them to be properly informed!”, when the whole point of the long waiting times and intense process before anything medical happens is explicitly because of this issue. There is no other medical intervention with anywhere close to this amount of information, but it’s still not enough, even if you can’t put into words why.
“So many people regret transitioning!”, when literally almost every other medical intervention has much high regret rates (yes, even higher than the 13% you pulled out of wherever). You’re also leaving out that the biggest reason for detransitioning is missing social acceptance.
What other points did you bring up? As I said, it’s the usual bullshit, packaged in the usual “just asking questions”. If your issue is informed consent or regret rates, why not focus on one of the hundreds of medical interventions with higher rates? Why focus on the one with incredibly low rates?
Well, you’re posting anti-trans rhetoric (talking about regret rates without mentioning that they are much lower than almost any others, talking as if people weren’t well-informed about the risks during the multi-year process it takes to transition etc). I can quote your whole post back to you if it helps you? But you can just scroll up and read your own comment, it’s a neat function of messaging boards.
Informed consent is now anti-trans? Really?
Implying that the current levels of informed consent aren’t enough to properly inform people, and further implying that large amounts of regret exist due to transitioning, is without question anti-trans.
Please point out where I made those statements?
As was mentioned, it’s a long process. With still 1%, which is a very conservative estimate, regretting it after all those years, all that information. I feel this should be mentioned.
What you did not mention however was the 13% that stopped transitioning and started detransitioning. The previous 1% only takes into account completed transitions. Since it’s a lengthy process, there are many that stop during the process.
That should also be mentioned and the fact that you willingly choose to omit it shows you do not want informed consent.
Wow, you really can’t scroll up? Fine, here’s your previous comment:
Not sure why you’re telling me I didn’t mention some 13% number, when I didn’t mention any numbers at all. Yet it’s even more weird that you’re not bringing up that even those 13% are lower than most other medical interventions. Again, why do you keep focusing on trans topics, when other medical interventions have this issue to a much larger degree?
Why do you want to diddle small children/spread anti-trans rhetoric?
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If your issue is regret of medical interventions, why are you focussing on one of the medical interventions with the lowest regret rate? Why not invest your time in one of the many other interventions with massively bigger regret rates? The easy and obvious answer is that you have issues with trans people, and you haven’t given any explanation when I asked you multiple times, strongly supporting that thesis.
Even 13% is much lower than most medical interventions. Why do you not know this? If you do, why do you lie about it?
Why don’t you want people to know the truth? Why are you going Elon here? What are you trying to hide?
You are hilarious. Not in a good way. You are incapable of having a normal discussion. You always, without fail go for the ad hominem. Your conduct here today is a disservice to the trans community.
Because there is nothing here to discuss. You bring up the same old tired talking points which are always brought up by transphobes:
“They aren’t telling patients about the risks and dangers, I just want them to be properly informed!”, when the whole point of the long waiting times and intense process before anything medical happens is explicitly because of this issue. There is no other medical intervention with anywhere close to this amount of information, but it’s still not enough, even if you can’t put into words why.
“So many people regret transitioning!”, when literally almost every other medical intervention has much high regret rates (yes, even higher than the 13% you pulled out of wherever). You’re also leaving out that the biggest reason for detransitioning is missing social acceptance.
What other points did you bring up? As I said, it’s the usual bullshit, packaged in the usual “just asking questions”. If your issue is informed consent or regret rates, why not focus on one of the hundreds of medical interventions with higher rates? Why focus on the one with incredibly low rates?
Provide peer-reviewed evidence to your claims, or you will be banned for multiple instances of misinformation.
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