The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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  • Furbag@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    1 minute ago

    Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says “the war needs to end”, drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country’s natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

    Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won’t stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

  • FinishingDutch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    72·
    10 hours ago

    I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

    If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

  • Lit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33·
    9 hours ago

    I don’t see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

    This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

    • commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
      15·
      9 hours ago

      Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

      Ukraine had security “guarantees” when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

      • Lit@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        9 hours ago

        Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

        Don’t need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

  • CobraChicken3000@lemmy.caEnglish
    32·
    12 hours ago

    Without security guarantees, this isn’t a “peace” deal, it’s a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

    • commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
      1·
      9 hours ago

      What about the security “guarantees” Ukraine already had?

      I guess it’s only a guarantee if it’s guaranteed at least twice? Lol.

  • SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    17·
    11 hours ago

    I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

    That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

  • Nunar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    11 hours ago

    Rubio is a snowflake bitch. As bad as Americans are right now, we’re going to eat him in 2-3 years. Stay strong! Slava Ukraine!

  • DaveyRocket@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36·
    18 hours ago

    Why would Ukraine be negotiating with another adversary? That’s like a boxer going to the wrong corner after the round, that guy also wants you to get your ass kicked.

    • commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 hours ago

      Because they’re losing and a part of losing in a war is making concessions to the winner.

      If Ukraine didn’t make concessions for a peace deal, Russia will just continue winning the war and Ukrainians will have even less.

      Sorry to all the new people in this world that fell for the propaganda machine. Hopefully this can be a learning experience for you all (it won’t.)

  • rylock@lemm.eeEnglish
    119·
    22 hours ago

    “Turns out, Russia doesn’t want to concede anything and demanded more Ukrainian land. Well, we tried. Clearly, it’s high time for Ukraine to stop getting in the way of peace.”

    • Little Marco in a week