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    Everyone needs to GTFO facebook. We can hardly do it because every other HOA and School PTA is there, but we get stop using messenger and stop having personal discussions over there.

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      Yeah, I dumped facebook right after the election but unfortunately most of my friends and family are only on WhatsApp.

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    Oh, this is the 15-minute cities they’re scared of.

    Fucking insane how these people twist a good idea in to something evil, then support the evil version of that idea.

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    Fucking shit article.

    Different network state to Bilajis? Since that was always opt in afaik.

    From the website from the book.

    A network state is a highly aligned online community with a capacity for collective action that crowdfunds territory around the world and eventually gains diplomatic recognition from pre-existing states.

    https://thenetworkstate.com/

    Seems like zuck trying to take the Name again like he came up with it, eg Meta.

    Networks are opt in, just like meta product’s.

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      They’re not opt-in when the government is fully captured. They’re not opt-in like every battle against corporate takeover we’ve lost over the last several decades, from net neutrality to effective monopolies to Musk wreaking havoc in the government.

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      Really I’d wager it’s more Snow Crash myself, it’s a book that most of these Silicon Valley guys would have grown up with.

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        Cyberpunk 2077 was just a continuation of Cyberpunk 2020, which came out before Snow Crash.

        In reality, I think the tech bros pull from all sorts of media and don’t restrict themselves to just one bible.

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          That’s a good point. Snow Crash does lean heavily into the metaverse in a way that is very aligned with Zuckerberg’s concept of it. I remember early interviews with some silicon valley guys and when Stephenson was the darling out there l, like with the early Xbox guys or Google Earth.

          Maybe Cyberpunk was popular too but just didn’t break through to more mainstream news.

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    I had never heard about the “Network State” concept before, but now I hate it, because Zuckerberg sure as hell loves it

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      Tech fascists see America’s democracy and financial system as collapsing.

      That’s because you’re the one breaking it down

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      It’s fascist city states that market themselves as tax free libertarian, likely hedonistic. Tech has little (maybe ultra deregulated healthcare) to do with anything other than billionaires who came from tech get to decide who is allowed in. This is a model in Israel and Arab kingdoms with less hedonism, but high slavery levels.

      The US is definitely on path to collapse. Current administration is accelerating it. Gifting federal lands to become tax havens is setting it to 11.

      Many of these tech bros also talk about an actual solution: Freedom dividends. High tax libertarianism with freedom for all. Power redistribution. Don’t compete for jobs we can’t do as well as China or robots. Or spend on/promote war. Freedom dividends ends crimes and makes fair labour markets. Fascism and slavery as the “libertarian utopian phoenix from ashes of US” is going to be straight mad max fascism and slavery instead of utopia.

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    This man has a bunker and everything. He’s scared shitless and he is ready to hide. Their assets need to be seized and accounts drained

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      That’s not a joke, ALL these dudes have extensive doomsday prep. Secure facilities, staffed and stocked. There’s a ton of reporting on it. They’re gonna fare a LOT better than we are if shit gets really outta hand. Unless we do something about them before it gets to that point, anyway.

      Edit: added a detail

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        If you had billions, wouldn’t you have a prepper facility? Even if there were no global warming or political upheaval, it’s common sense when you have money like that.

        “Hey, want to build a doomsday shelter for .0001% of your net worth?”

        “Meh, why not.”

        They don’t necessarily have to see bad times coming is my point.

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          No? If I ACTUALLY wanted to ride out through some sort of apocalypse, a bunker ain’t gonna cut it. I would bankroll and actively participate in a fully self-sustaining off-the-grid community. Rich people always forget the second part, probably because they are psychopaths. Remember that article where they were asking about putting shock collars on their bunker security guys? If they literally just got beers with them once a week, they’d probably shoot all the migrants you ask them to. It’s an irony that they consider their time ‘too valuable’ for that, as it turns out that the one thing you can’t buy is a sense of community.

          Of course, I would endeavor to not own several billion dollars of stolen property in the first place, but different strokes.

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          I would too, but I would also be worried about the idea of being sealed in. Concrete is cheap. So is welding and thermite.

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          You are correct, but also when you look at the aggregate of their behavior and goals (both stated and implied) you have to reach the conclusion that they WANT to use the bunker. Or want a scenario in which it becomes useful.

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            The scary part is that you might be wrong, they may not even realize they’re causing it and are just stuck in a loop of “number go up”

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              Yeah, I feel like most of them are stuck in ‘number go up’, but I also think that the desire to make your investment ‘worth it’ gets stronger the more money you pour into a bunker system.

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      His bunker on a Hawaiian Island. Dude really wants to be far away from everything when shit pops off.

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        Yeah because when I think about kicking off world wars, the last locale on my mind is Hawaii

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        What I’m hearing is that after we overthrow the government and Destroy capitalism we have to dig him out of a bunker in Hawaii and put him on trial

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          dig him out of a bunker in Hawaii and put him on trial

          Just weld the door closed. Problem solved.

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          Or, hold a trial, and if convicted, we seal him in his bunker and bury it and cut it off from all outside contact. And depending on the severity of his conviction, plugging up every “air hole” could go along as capital punishment. Give him a very twilight zone ending, he wanted to hide in his bunker, and now he’ll spend the rest of his life in it, however long that may be.

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        Bunker on a tropical island you say? Don’t worry, I know of some people that have some notes on that. Any secrets he has about that thing are practically out by now.

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          This is either a shit post or I’m looking at something glowing radioactive hot and I can’t tell which.

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      The native Hawaiians should reclaim their land he stole so he doesn’t have a bunker anymore

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    Streisand effect: I had never heard of the “network state” until now. Uh, thanks for being such an asshole, Zuck!

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      Let’s not forget how we got here though cause if we do forget & survive this round, won’t be long before it comes back. I’m specifically referring to the pro-genocide candidate that we were all lied to about their cognition until we all saw the emperor had no clothes. Then they anointed the Cheney supporter that couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently.

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        pro-genocide candidate

        You realize Trump supports Russia (genocide of Ukrainians and minority ethnicities) and gave Israel the green light to continue on. Right?

        Trump wants to start a war with Canada and Greenland. Right?

        Seems like you fully support genocide. Despite having the audacity to claim otherwise.

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          I don’t support Trump & didn’t vote for him. Why in your mind does criticizing something about Democrats equate to being a Trump supporter? Maybe you should have been more critical of Democrats prior to the election & we wouldn’t be in this mess.

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            Why in your mind does criticizing something about Democrats equate to being a Trump supporter?

            idk calling the Democratic candidate “Pro-Genocide” (They are not, no matter how much you claim they are), while letting the literal pro-genocide candidate off scott free.

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              Lol, you had the Biden “proud Zionist” admin literally vetoing UN resolutions demanding a ceasefire. Instead every answer was “we’ll always stand by Israel & give them money to continue.” Clearly if you believe that isn’t pro genocide then you’re living in a different pretend reality.

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                The Biden admin has been working with Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Palestinian Authority, Qatar, HAMAS, and Israel to actually establish a real ceasefire agreement.

                Biden’s administration has been seeking a resolution that will end the blood shed. Trump’s administration is suggesting and supporting the outright REMOVAL of Palestinians. It’s not hard to see that.

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          Lol. Capitalism isn’t going away anytime soon. Democrats absolutely could have won if they actually stood for anything other than themselves.

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            Sure, but a big part of why they don’t do better is they want to continue the capitalist hellscape where a few people benefit from “owning” most everything.

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              Because that is the system people are subscribed to. You want big change & to take on capitalism you need a V for Vendetta. The system is built on capitalism. The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism. They’d probably get assassinated real quick though. Or a complete collapse of the system.

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                Maybe. We can still try to work on multiple things at the same time.

                Demand more from the Democrats.

                Fight the right wing.

                Push for better systems.

                No one’s going to wave a magic wand and fix everything. though it would be funny to me if more billionaires were murdered , that’s not really likely or safe.

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                It’s called building dual power, and many of us are actually doing things every day to further that goal.

                The best chance we’d prob have right now to take on capitalism is someone with a popular agenda that is good at acting, but once elected as President they basically say… Ha, now I’m immune & will use my platform to try to get rid of capitalism […] Or [cause] a complete collapse of the system.

                Is this sarcastic? Because that’s literally what we’re witnessing. We may have a chance at building a better world with better systems very soon.

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                  Not if the same establishment Democrats get reelected then claim their hands are tied whenever Republicans try their usual antics.

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        fair, but Harris would have won without election rigging. Voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted.

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    Corporations can’t even run corporations well. That’s one of the lessons we should’ve took from 2008.

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      Peter thiel* is a bigger puppet master, he just doesn’t want to be the face. He wants the world to collapse so he can rebuild it into his techno feudalism dream. This is all to plan

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      Tesla tubby is illegitimate parasite leeching on American government and taxpayer…

      Federal government needs to consume some ivermectin