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    Says the person trying to link criticism of Israel to antisemitism.

    Everyone is tired of this nonsense. Israel Is not Jewish people, many Jews outright hate the state. You can freely attack and criticise Israel without it being a reflection on Jewish people.

    The only person who would think otherwise is an actual antisemite.

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      Everyone is tired of this nonsense.

      Here’s a fun fact for you:

      Even naming it—that is, calling out bigotry against Jews—can be classed as yet another sign of assumed evil intent, of Jews attacking beloved principles of justice for all. In an April 2023 lecture, David Nirenberg, the historian, presented the example of an activist with a large following whose boundary-pushing rhetoric met with accusations of anti-Semitism. The activist pointed out, as Nirenberg put it, that anti-Semitism “was merely an accusation that Jews used to silence criticism and squash free speech.” He brought libel lawsuits against newspapers that accused him of anti-Semitism, and won them. It is unfortunate for those making this argument today that this activist was named Adolf Hitler.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/02/jewish-anti-semitism-harvard-claudine-gay-zionism/677454/

      None of this is new. Jews have seen all of this before.

      Israel Is not Jewish people, many Jews outright hate the state.

      No, they don’t. 88% of British Jews have been to Israel at least once, and 73% say that they feel very or somewhat attached to the country. Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them. Nearly six-in-ten say they personally feel an emotional attachment to Israel, and a similar share say they follow news about the Jewish state at least somewhat closely. There aren’t any longer sizeable Jewish populations outside of the English-speaking or Hebrew-speaking world to compare with, they were all killed or expelled in the last century. The lesson of the 20th century to the Jews was that you either spoke English or Hebrew or you died.

      You can freely attack and criticise Israel without it being a reflection on Jewish people.

      Depends on the criticism.

      The only person who would think otherwise is an actual antisemite.

      Projection.

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        No one cares about your hateful nonsense.

        Criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism.

        End of fucking story.

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            Don’t pull that crap.

            One of the bloody mods of this community is Jewish. Many users on the Fediverse are Jewish. Being Jewish does not mean you support Israel.

            Criticism of Israel is not critics of Judaism. Get that through your head.

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              Uhuh

              What do you even mean by “support Israel”?

              There are almost no Jews anywhere in the world who would oppose the existence of the State of Israel. As I just pointed out, an overwhelming majority of British and American Jews see Israel as a central part of their Jewish identity, have visited, have relatives there, and feel an emotional connection to it.

              Naturei Karta are a tiny fringe minority. If you’re thinking they represent some sort of larger phenomenon you’re living in a bubble.

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                Sounds like a problem with your instance.

                https://lemmy.world/c/jewish doesn’t even appear in your screenshot for starters, so it’s obvious you’re not seeing a full list of results.

                But more importantly, Jewish people are under no obligation to make a Lemmy community and post about their religion, just as any one else isn’t. An absence of such community does not reflect an absence of followers.

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                  https://lemmy.world/c/jewish doesn’t even appear in your screenshot for starters, so it’s obvious you’re not seeing a full list of results.

                  81 subscribers

                  Okay, cool, that’s good to know.

                  What does /c/Jewish think about the idea of abolishing the State of Israel? Do they agree with you about antisemitism? Have you tried engaging with them about that?

                  But more importantly, Jewish people are under no obligation to make a Lemmy community and post about their religion, just as any one else isn’t. An absence of such community does not reflect an absence of followers.

                  It does in fact reflect an absence of followers. Jews do not feel welcome or safe among radical leftists, who tend to dominate Lemmy. They therefore stay away.

                  Also, here’s a comparison:

                  You don’t genuinely think that there’s no problem here? Most Jews don’t move from Reddit to Lemmy because Lemmy is dominated by left-wing people, and left-wing people are the current threat to Jews.

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                    The number of subscribers does not matter.

                    This shows you do not access to have accurate information about Lemmy. As such any claims you wish to make are irrelevant.

                    You have no information to add and as we’ve already discussed criticism of Israel is not criticism of Judaism, so I’ll be leaving now.