“They [cats] engaged less in sleeping, eating and playing but more in seeking attention from humans and other pets, hiding, spending time alone and appearing to look for their lost companions,”
My old cat and dog used to fight constantly. One day we had to put down our dog and the cat howled for days cause his sparring partner was suddenly gone. Whether the cat was lonely or legitimately grieving, I couldn’t say, but the experience certainly was eye-opening.
Same for dogs. When my cat was killed, his dog-sister was in despairing grief for weeks. I’d hear her howling throughout the day, she stopped eating, and barely did anything all day. For the next few months, whenever she would hear/see a cat on tv or smell anything that belonged to the cat, she would get lively and attentive, as if her missing sibling was coming back. It was terrible to witness.
That’s heartbreaking. I’ve got a sick cat and a puppy and the poor guys gonna be wrecked :(
That’s sooo sad. And sweet. Awww…
Of course they do. Did we really need a study for that?
Your comment reads like a Facebook comment. That’s the whole point of science, don’t trust common sense, prove it.
That’s the whole point of science, don’t trust common sense, prove it.
This has nothing to do with common sense - it’s easily observable behavior that any experienced pet owner could tell you about.
It’s still anecdotal evidence which turns into common sense. You need science and method to validate these things.
It’s still anecdotal evidence which turns into common sense.
You mean how the “anecdotal evidence” that the earth is actually round turned into “common sense?”
Yeah, you’re completely right - none of that shit should be trusted until an overmoneyed dork with a fancy piece of tertiary education institution stationary shows up to prove how stupid we are for doing anything without his approval.
Not sure why you’re getting so acid. I never said you can only believe in scientists, just pointed its usefulness to validate beliefs. Can you show me where I said it?
You seem to have a massive negative bias against “overmoneyed dork” which I assume is scientists, so I don’t think we’re going anywhere here.
And to further your ignorance: Ancient Greeks knew the earth was round and mathematicians helped prove it… so one of the “dorks”.
I just always wonder what we gain scientifically with these kind of studies. Why do we need to prove this? Aren’t there any more important issues these scientists could use their time and money on?
I’m asking in all earnestness. What is the benefit of this knowlege?
There’s been scientific and philosophical debates for a long time about which cognitive traits are specific to humans and which are shared across species, and which trait is specific to each group. This is just another element to add to this debate.
If you’re wondering how this can be applied, it’s not the researcher’s job to know. A lot of the time, a discovery’s practical applications are only found decades after the discovery itself. Some are never used, but we can’t know in advance which knowledge will be useful.
So ideally, those who work in fundamental research needn’t consern themselves with the potential use of their work, they seek knowledge for itself. If there’s useful stuff in there, applied scientists and engineers will pick it up later. Ideally, but unfortunately, researchers may need to convince a patron that their research will be useful if they need private fundings, which can be a problem. Sometimes, they’ll have to put a little bullshit in their pitch for companies. But since this probably wasn’t a very expensive study, maybe public grants were enough. Or maybe they convinced some company that they could use it to promote cat antidepressants.
I don’t know as biology(?) is not my area of expertise. The way I see it it can be valuable for us as a society to be more empathetic? I know you shouldn’t need science for that but hey …
The whole point of science is to study to prove or disprove theories. So yes.
*hypotheses
Evolution is only a THEORY! Like gravity!
I am absolutely pro science. But in all earnestness, what is the use of such a study?
There’s anecdotal “knowledge”, and there is science.
That which is easily observable is not “anecdotal.”
That which is easily observable should be easily to study scientifically.
A lot of people legitimately think cats are loner sociopaths. So yes, some science to back up the cat owners of the world would be appreciated.
So many of those people treat their cat like a lamp though. Of course your cat is a “loner sociopath” - if you barely interact with it and never give it attention or enrichment it’s going to fuck off and do its own thing without you.
Or a bunch try to treat their cat like a dog, which also won’t work.
A lot of people legitimately think cats are loner sociopaths.
That says more about the people who think this than cats.
So you need serious scientists to spend time, resources and money on a scientific study so you can tell cat haters “Gotcha. I told you so!”??
You wouldn’t believe how much good stuff we have because we were finally able to point to a study to shut up haters.
Definitive proof is harder to dismiss than an old wives tale.
While I get your point, “cats have feelings” is hardly on the same level as old wives tales lol
Depends on the cat & its personality I guess.
I had a cat named Gizmo. My wife adopted a cat named Tiny Dinosaur. When Gizmo died, T.D. wasn’t too upset about it. Then I got a new cat named Elmira. When T.D. died, Elmira was pretty sad. She cried and sulked. Then my wife got a new cat named Fluffy. When Elmira died, Fluffy didn’t care.
Hmm maybe my wife just raises cold indifferent cats.
I think this played out in my home last year around this time. (You can just skip reading it; this is catharsis for me…) (I’m debating just deleting this catharsis but I’m going to post it because I wrote it…)
I had one cat who hated everyone but me and sometimes her housemate. She was 16, but in pretty good health. The other I’d had for 10 years but idk how old he was, probably 5-10 when I got him. They didn’t get along that well, but he gave her space. He was a lover with multiple health issues who was on his way out for years. Importantly, he left her alone for the most part. She liked that about him.
I wanted kittens to learn his hyper-friendly ways and be good with her, too, because I thought she’d be around a while yet, and at least a few months on loverboy, so I got a pair from a barn. Runts; the only ones they could catch. Way too fragile to be in my care, but probably had a better chance with me.
One week after the kittens came home, the friendly cat had to be put down, he was ready to go, stopped eating and wouldn’t cuddle, he told me he was ready. So I scheduled it. I was ready for that to happen and had been since 2016 when the vet said he had 6 mths left. In retrospect he was telling me that for a while before that and I didn’t pick it up. That’s on me, and I accept it.
Next morning, the day of the euthanasia, woke up to one of the kittens being gone, she was failing to thrive and I didn’t think she was going to make it, but it still sucked really hard. They are buried together because other people seem to think that’s poetic or something… he waited for her, or some such. And that sounds nice so I went with it. (this was 15JUL)
The remaining kitten was depressed as hell, wouldn’t play or do anything for days, and even the crabby 16 seemed sad that her companion of the past 10 years was gone… got another kitten from that same barn but the grief did its damage… the kittens were ok with each other but they aren’t siblings or anything and they haven’t really bonded the way I’d like.
Just when the kittens were starting to win over the crabby girl, she up and stroked out on me out of nowhere on 02SEP, plunging my house further into chaos (I was ready for my boy to go… I wasn’t expecting that…)
Now I have a cat (kitten no longer) who suckles blankets for comfort, and another who gets misplaced aggressive when she sees another cat (and sometimes squirrels??). So you know, the trauma is real, and idk really how to help them, but it was a lot for them to experience in their formative stages… and I mean I was depressed about it the whole time too (as an unrelated bonus, one of my turtles died in November…), so that certainly didn’t help…
I am so sorry for your losses. It sounds like you’ve done you’re best to provide a loving home.
I adopted two kittens together. One got sick and died under 2yo (similar to cancer). I had to hurry up and get another one sooner than I otherwise would have because the remaining kitty was massively codependent after he’d died. It was clear that she knew (he’d been increasingly sick over a few weeks, so it’s not like just one day he was gone; she saw it happening). You could tell she was pretty upset and we sorta cried together for a week. Luckily, the next kitten that I brought home was a perfect fit, even if I was still heartbroken.
While the results support the idea that cats grieve, an alternative possibility is that owners are projecting their own heartache on to the surviving pet. “Consistent with this hypothesis, caregivers who experienced greater grief were more likely to report increases in their surviving cats’ sleep, spending time alone and hiding following the death,” they wrote.
Glad they wrote this, because it’s exactly what I was thinking as soon as the article stated how they studied the cats.
I can’t read any more comments. It is too dusty in here.
I used to have a cat that was raised with a dog and they had a ton of fun together until the dog died. The cat was openly hostile to any dog after that.
This should win depressing study of the year.
Anyone else getting webpage not available?
Fixed, and included an archive link. Thank you.
Appreciated!
OP’s link contains a trailing text identifier, which I snipped off.
Yes. Same here.
