Futurama is just a slightly different Simpsons!

We are enemies now

I was going to comment that OPs meme sums up db0 really well, but this one does that even better.

That’s mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn’t matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they’re higher up the pecking order.

Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.

Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!

Honestly I’m fairly certain they infight even harder than the left does. They just wouldn’t self-critically admit to it like we would. Cause they don’t self-crit.

Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. “If you don’t believe XYZ, you’re a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc.”

I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).

The problem is not public arguments, but groups rejecting other groups for ideological reasons. I personally know people who are like “you can be a communist, or you can be wrong”.

The reality is that there are left groups, especially far-left groups, who will already dismiss your opinion on everything for not categorically rejecting a (social) markets economy. Doesn’t matter if you agree in all other points.

The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.

It’s a different version of the tolerance paradox

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. (Source Wikipedia)

I think lacking self awareness is a requirement to be a tankie

But after they called me a liberal for supporting Ukraine, they said they respect anarchists. They must be our friends! /s

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So it’s accurate but they’re both wrong because

1. He is the left.

2. He shouldn’t even be trying to converse with literal USSR advocates and literal anarchists as if they were part of his base.

Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it’s fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.

tale as old as time

I didn’t see this film until the 2010s, and I couldn’t believe how accurately it lampooned my local scene.

God the assassination scene, so accurate.

I approve of any leftist as long as they are anti-authoritarian.

so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.

I always say it is because the left in general has its roots in old school liberal value of “think for yourself”. So there typically tends to be maverick attitude and in-fighting. The best example is the Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War; you have soc dems, communists and anarchists fighting together not just against fascists, but also themselves. The right, meanwhile value order and hierarchy, so they tend to easily set aside their differences. Again, the Spanish Civil War is the best example, with the Spanish Nationalists also composed of various factions with competing agenda, but managed to set aside their differences, which made it easier to do because they had a strong man figure to rally to.

For me, it makes much more sense to think about it all as pop culture. I’ll use America but this goes for any country.

The right leaning party represents pop culture. A dominant culture. The popular culture is American Apple pie and blue jeans with letter jackets.

The left represents everything outside the pop culture bubble. It’s a larger population as a whole, but they’re like little bubbles they all contain their own culture. Those cultures can conflict or merge and compliment each other. But they’re individually separate.

The pop culture is always feeling threatened. It needs to maintain the status quo. Every outside sub culture is trying to fight their way into the dominant culture.

So this is why the right leaning voters trend towards rejecting things like immigrants, minorities, LGQTB and often other sub groups that are not wildly accepted by the pop culture. This is also why the left leaning groups do not. They trend towards infighting about how to do things but overall they all focus efforts on taking status away from the pop culture.

When I view politics as a clash between pop culture and sub cultures, it makes so much of it make so much more sense.

Which is also why I believe this is useful because it highlights how to win. Pop culture is much more sensitive to culture jamming. If anyone remembers ‘yes men save the world’ they were buried a bit, but they managed to fuck with so many things in pretty smart ways. You can really start to see how to focus efforts on them with this context I think at least.

I’m always under the assumption that everyone can be an asshole. I had a very good friend qnd we’re both vegans. To me it’s just a dietary choice that i made, for her it was almost like a religion. Like when she met someone who was also a vegan or saw someone on tv that was a vegan, she always assumed that it’s a good person, or just rooted for that person, no questions asked.

Unfortunately all the wanna-be Pol Pots out there also consider themselves to be leftists.

Political ideology is a spectrum, and I feel that Leftists tend to be as hostile towards those they deem ‘not as left’ as them, just as much as they are towards Fascists, Neo-Cons and their ilk.

It’s basically the no true Scotsman fallacy manifest.

I was recently banned for being “transphobic” for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I’m not far right nor have I ever been.

I’ve been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word “transgender” meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?