Terrorist cell embedded itself within civilians around Al-Quds Hospital, fired from the hospital entrance at IDF soldiers, and was subsequently eliminated
But there are a whole lot of people who have decided to excuse everything Hamas does and cast everything Israel does in the worst light possible. That’s what I personally have a problem with. Hamas and its sponsors are despicable excuses for human beings who put slaughter Israeli civilians and put Palestinian civilians in harm’s way. That needs to be fully acknowledged. At the same time, I see a lot of people in the US who are ignorant of the failure of leadership in Israel. They place all blame on Palestinians without realizing that Israel’s leadership has played a role in sabotaging peace talks.
No, there aren’t. There are plenty of people willing to state the reasons why Hamas does things. That isn’t to defend or justify what Hamas does. But they do have the reasons. And Israel has proven themselves time and again worthy of suspicion in all things.
Regardless, this does not justify what Israel has been doing. Someone standing out front of any building with an RPG does not give carte blanche to level a building with military weapons fire.
Lol, ya to many people are stuck on this being black and white and thus you have to take a side. When in reality it’s just a mess, a mess of history , a mess of religion, a mess of unfounded hatred. The only side people should be takeing is the civilians who are stuck in the middle.
The more I learn about the history, because am/was whole heartily ignorant of it. The more I have a hard time seeing a solution to this.
I have my opinion on what I think should happen but its not realistic or practical.
No one sane loves Hamas. But it takes some serious mental gymnastics to pretend the Israeli government is justified in what is going on in Gaza right now.
People like the above imagine a country could defend itself while rigidly adhering to a “never under any circumstances attack protected buildings even if we’re currently being shot at out of one”.
I wonder how people like this imagine war works.
Y’all remember that Reno 911 episode where they’re chasing some perp and he crosses some state or county line and they all just stop and throw up their hands because he left their jurisdiction? It’d be like that except the guy is shooting at you.
I could be wrong but I think they may be looking for those people who were abducted?
But also they’d be much safer if they killed all of Hamas.
It’s like the Department of Defense in the US used to be called the Department of War. Call it whatever you want but an attack like what happened on Oct, 7th doesn’t go unanswered.
Honestly fuck anyone who thinks anyone should just take that on the chin and not respond.
What’s a proportional response? I’m genuinely asking. I agree that the above is NOT a proportional response. But also I haven’t seen anyone say what they think would be.
Use special forces to take out Hamas members specifically instead of indiscriminately bombing civilians, cutting off all food/water/power, literally saying any civilian left is Hamas, etc… just as a start maybe.
Are you referring to the people who acknowledge that the IDF are just as much of terrorists as Hamas? Because that’s true, and it doesn’t make you a Hamas supporter.
Hamas are terrorists. Israel is a terrorist state.
Israel has oppressed and murdered Palestinians for decades. Hamas responded by slaughtering thousands of Israelis. Now Israel is responding by committing genocide.
There are no good guys. It’s terrorists fighting terrorists, while innocent civilians are caught in the crossfire and being massacred in the tens of thousands
Fuck off with your feaux-intellectual instigative bullshit. You look stupid.
Israel has oppressed and murdered Palestinians for decades. Hamas responded by slaughtering thousands of Israelis. Now Israel is responding by committing genocide.
Are you referring to the people who acknowledge that the IDF are just as much of terrorists as Hamas?
Just want to clarify, you see no difference between a group who avoids civilian deaths when possible and another group who actively seeks to kill civilians?
Seriously. Any civilized country would take the murder of 1200 of their civilians and just move on. Like, the abducted are way over there in Gaza. Just leave ‘em for Mohamed’s sake.
So Hamas was operating their fighting force out of a hospital. Does that mean it’s okay to fight them there???
I mean America is despicable and monstrous as well by your standards. 9/11 killed 3K people. Our subsequent invasion and the war on terror has lead to almost half a million civillian casualties (not even including the economic damage or how many were displaced). I’d love to find a government that could take an attack like that and surgically exterminate only those involved in it without harming anyone else. Sadly that’s not realistic. I think things would at least calm down if hamas returned the hostages. Sadly, they don’t even seem to know where a lot of them are atm and have made it clear they won’t. So Israel either needs to level Palestine trying to find them or compell hamas to release them. Any diplomatic option would just incentivise hamas to do more attacks like the October incursion. That said Israel should really stop because I don’t see an end here. Hamas cares so little about Palestinians their more than happy to see them wiped out and Israel can’t realistically just take over the whole gaza strip. It has to end eventually and stretching it out just seems to be because Israel wants to hurt Palestine as retaliation with hostages or diplomacy as secondary considerations. Bibi lost face in this attack and wants to present himself as hard in response when really this is partly his colossal f*ck up.
What say ye now Hamas lovers? Still a side-picker?
No one is a Hamas lover Mr black and white
But there are a whole lot of people who have decided to excuse everything Hamas does and cast everything Israel does in the worst light possible. That’s what I personally have a problem with. Hamas and its sponsors are despicable excuses for human beings who put slaughter Israeli civilians and put Palestinian civilians in harm’s way. That needs to be fully acknowledged. At the same time, I see a lot of people in the US who are ignorant of the failure of leadership in Israel. They place all blame on Palestinians without realizing that Israel’s leadership has played a role in sabotaging peace talks.
No, there aren’t. There are plenty of people willing to state the reasons why Hamas does things. That isn’t to defend or justify what Hamas does. But they do have the reasons. And Israel has proven themselves time and again worthy of suspicion in all things.
Regardless, this does not justify what Israel has been doing. Someone standing out front of any building with an RPG does not give carte blanche to level a building with military weapons fire.
I mean, both sides have done that. I immediately lose trust in anyone who tries to paint either side as not morally reprehensible.
In my head: What does skin color got to do with anything?
In my head: Oh, not skin color.
Lol, ya to many people are stuck on this being black and white and thus you have to take a side. When in reality it’s just a mess, a mess of history , a mess of religion, a mess of unfounded hatred. The only side people should be takeing is the civilians who are stuck in the middle.
The more I learn about the history, because am/was whole heartily ignorant of it. The more I have a hard time seeing a solution to this.
I have my opinion on what I think should happen but its not realistic or practical.
I’m making fun of the people who see black and white.
No one sane loves Hamas. But it takes some serious mental gymnastics to pretend the Israeli government is justified in what is going on in Gaza right now.
There’s a lot of people on Lemmy that are very much pro-hamas.
I say Israel is still not justified in bombing hospitals or killing civilians.
People like the above imagine a country could defend itself while rigidly adhering to a “never under any circumstances attack protected buildings even if we’re currently being shot at out of one”.
I wonder how people like this imagine war works.
Y’all remember that Reno 911 episode where they’re chasing some perp and he crosses some state or county line and they all just stop and throw up their hands because he left their jurisdiction? It’d be like that except the guy is shooting at you.
How is this defense? It’s revenge.
I could be wrong but I think they may be looking for those people who were abducted?
But also they’d be much safer if they killed all of Hamas.
It’s like the Department of Defense in the US used to be called the Department of War. Call it whatever you want but an attack like what happened on Oct, 7th doesn’t go unanswered.
Honestly fuck anyone who thinks anyone should just take that on the chin and not respond.
200 people abducted/held hostage, refuses any attempts to trade the hostages and instead kill 13k civilians, including 6220 children.
Yeah seems like a proportional response
What’s a proportional response? I’m genuinely asking. I agree that the above is NOT a proportional response. But also I haven’t seen anyone say what they think would be.
Use special forces to take out Hamas members specifically instead of indiscriminately bombing civilians, cutting off all food/water/power, literally saying any civilian left is Hamas, etc… just as a start maybe.
For sure. And any non-defense attack in retaliation is also not justified.
What?? Who tf is a Hamas lover?
Are you referring to the people who acknowledge that the IDF are just as much of terrorists as Hamas? Because that’s true, and it doesn’t make you a Hamas supporter.
Hamas are terrorists. Israel is a terrorist state.
Israel has oppressed and murdered Palestinians for decades. Hamas responded by slaughtering thousands of Israelis. Now Israel is responding by committing genocide.
There are no good guys. It’s terrorists fighting terrorists, while innocent civilians are caught in the crossfire and being massacred in the tens of thousands
Fuck off with your feaux-intellectual instigative bullshit. You look stupid.
That’s not all the history
Just want to clarify, you see no difference between a group who avoids civilian deaths when possible and another group who actively seeks to kill civilians?
And the other guy looks stupid?
You really believe the IDF avoids civilian deaths when possible???
11,000 and growing massacred civilians (mostly women and children) would beg to differ
That’s one in every 200 civilians, just to clarify
When Hamas was cleared out of the hospital, what happened to everyone else?
Bombed and cut off from all vital resources and any route of escape
And then bombed again
If Israel wanted to just bring the hospital down with everyone inside they could do that without stepping foot in Gaza.
To put it in perspective, when Hamas finds unguarded Israeli civilians they cut their heads off and burn them alive.
I never defended Hamas. Hamas is absolutely a terrorist organization.
Doesn’t change the fact that the IDF are terrorists as well.
I’m making fun of the people who see black and white. And there are a TON of them on Lemmy.
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It wasn’t sarcasm. I asked how the side-pickers (the Hamas lovers) feel now. I’m serious.
I’m not the problem. Your comprehension skills are lacking.
And screw your “sorry, but” nonsense.
Comprendé?
Your comment made me fart.
That if IDF weren’t murdering people at the hospital, the resistance fighters wouldn’t have had any IDF troops to fire at.
Seriously. Any civilized country would take the murder of 1200 of their civilians and just move on. Like, the abducted are way over there in Gaza. Just leave ‘em for Mohamed’s sake.
So Hamas was operating their fighting force out of a hospital. Does that mean it’s okay to fight them there???
You’re totally right.
Israel has not been murdering innocents consistently for 60 years.
One retaliatory strike, leading to 260 deaths, not 1200, deserves a response of 11,000 dead civilians in a month and a half.
/s
That’s gonna happen when the force you’re fighting uses human shields.
What a despicable monstrous opinion.
Not an opinion. It’s what’s happening right now.
Ya. And it’s despicable and monsterous.
If only America stopped flushing billions over billions of dollars on killing innocent brown people.
Hamas doomed a lot of people as soon as they set up a base in a hospital.
I mean America is despicable and monstrous as well by your standards. 9/11 killed 3K people. Our subsequent invasion and the war on terror has lead to almost half a million civillian casualties (not even including the economic damage or how many were displaced). I’d love to find a government that could take an attack like that and surgically exterminate only those involved in it without harming anyone else. Sadly that’s not realistic. I think things would at least calm down if hamas returned the hostages. Sadly, they don’t even seem to know where a lot of them are atm and have made it clear they won’t. So Israel either needs to level Palestine trying to find them or compell hamas to release them. Any diplomatic option would just incentivise hamas to do more attacks like the October incursion. That said Israel should really stop because I don’t see an end here. Hamas cares so little about Palestinians their more than happy to see them wiped out and Israel can’t realistically just take over the whole gaza strip. It has to end eventually and stretching it out just seems to be because Israel wants to hurt Palestine as retaliation with hostages or diplomacy as secondary considerations. Bibi lost face in this attack and wants to present himself as hard in response when really this is partly his colossal f*ck up.
End apartheid. Free Palestine.