Why is it always femme people this bullshit is directed at? Why aren’t the hyper masculine tattooed manosphere influencers ever chastised for their jingoistic tribal alt right nazi sigils engraved on their bodies?
misogyny
In a word yes. And also the inherent threat of violence that allows for the patriarchy that precludes misogyny.
I just Googled “anti tattoo meme” and most of them were making fun of macho guys.
I’m sure this was rhetorical… But if not, I think you know why.
Cope much
I don’t think that building has very nice tits
Agreed. Now look at this building.
*Mechanical- and brick-sounding motorboat noises
I hope it has the structural integrity.
I’ve had enough with this sort of edefice shaming.
We all need to be dense housing positive
Sorry but if it’s got no flying buttresses it’s not for me
Graffiti is a spectrum: on one hand, you get beautiful murals that add something to the structure, making it more than what it was.
On the other hand, you get dicks and swastikas.
Tattoos are the same way. There’s a difference between someone having a beautiful sleeve done and someone who has TRUMP tattooed on their forehead.
An example to further your point: I have an album of these I took earlier this year. It was exciting to stumble across.
When I click the image, it flips over the X-axis. That’s weird as hell.
Same here, on sync.
Damn, I feel left out. Jerboa didn’t do it. I wonder what the difference was
Neither does Voyager
Speaking of Voyager, do you think New Glenn will launch on New Years Eve?
Never heard of that before 🤷
There is probably some info in the exif data that is being ignored by one and not the other.
There’s definitely a difference between guerilla art and “fuckup was here.”
I was stuck at some train tracks in my area, and some of the graffiti on the trains left a gap around the safety information about weight limits and such.
Not all of them did. Those that didn’t had to be painted over and re-written, but only the safety section. They left the rest alone.
There was some mutual acceptance happening on both sides of the effort that warmed my heart.
As a graffiti enthusiast, I can say that is definitely part of “the rules”. Graffiti has a code of conduct, depite it appearing like anarchy. Many new writers are ignorant of it. Don’t tag:
- Personal property
- Places of religion
- Memorials
- Shipping or cargo data (like those train cars)
- Places that are kept clean/painted (it’s going to get covered frequently)
This explains why the liquor store down the street has a Jesus mural on the side.
I’ve never been a fan of tattoos. They look awful and, in the case of women distract from beauty, not add to it. That said, they can do whatever the hell they want. It’s not my body or problem and they ain’t hurting anyone.
They look awful and, in the case of women distract from beauty, not add to it.
You did the thing where you gave a very personal, subjective, opinion as if it was a pure fact. You probably meant “it distracts me from their beauty” but you wrote it as if it’s a universal truth that applies to everyone.
Ehh I dunno… I don’t agree with him but we don’t have to preface our opinions with “this is just how I feel, but…”.
If I say “this pizza is horrible”, it’s clear that it’s just something I think and not everyone has to share that opinion. The subjectivity of the statement kinda speaks for itself y’know?
“this pizza is horrible” isn’t misogyny though, so it doesn’t benefit from the distancing.
You did the thing where you policed the way someone else phrased their opinion by purposely misunderstanding their intent. He literally began his post by stating an opinion.
And his opinion was basic misogyny
depends on the tattoo, there’s some adorable ones out there, this one is what me and my sister are gonna get because I love frogs (username) and hers is gonna be a black cat because she has a black cat
Random tattoos that are full black just for the hell of it aren’t that interesting, however, you do you boo.
It’s all a matter of taste.
This is an adorable tattoo idea!
Maybe not all women actually want you to be looking at them thinking ‘Wow, beautiful, yum.’ So many women get so much shit from men every day all the time, often since they were still wearing school uniform. Like you say, it’s not your body and they ain’t hurting anyone. I just think it’s really easy to understand why some women want to take ownership of their skin when there’s so many arsehole men thinking they’ve got a right to stare and touch it.
Did you stop reading after the second sentence or are you saying that he’s not allowed to have that opinion because some girl somewhere might disagree with it
He can have an opinion and it can also be really boring misogyny.
Except there is zero misogyny in that statement
They look awful and, in the case of women distract from beauty, not add to it.
I don’t really want to spend a lot of time doing some critical analysis here but give it a think. Implies beauty is important for women and not men, and their beauty is contingent on his viewing. This is basic male gaze stuff.
Anyone can have an opinion, the point is that whatever my opinion is there’s no reason to make it her problem.
Woman does something.
Someone thinks it’s not good.
“WOW MISOGYNY”
Plot twist: these tats would also be ugly AF on a guy. Now what, mfer.
Plot twist: these tats would also be ugly AF on a guy. Now what, mfer.
They didn’t just say tattoos are ugly. They went out of his way to focus on how they detract from a woman’s beauty. Not men’s beauty. The subtle “women should look beautiful for me” is what’s not good here.
Their take could have been worse. They acknowledged that it’s harmless and not their body. That’s good.
It’s a picture of a woman, why would they talk about men’s beauty? Jesus.
Jesus was beautiful, and he had a fabulous tattoo somewhere you’d never guess.
The subtle “women should look beautiful for me” is what’s not good here.
Offering benefit of the doubt, one might assume he referred to women’s beauty in particular because this meme is about a woman, or perhaps he isn’t gay/bi, and doesn’t think about men’s beauty. Or both. Or maybe something else. Misogyny is one of the possibilities, sure, but only one of the possibilities. I wouldn’t have phrased it that way, but I don’t think there’s enough there to take the route of condemnation, personally.
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No no, they have a point.
I don’t see any nazi iconography in the image OP posted, can you point them out to me?
I was applying the claim to something else
If you are talking about graffiti on buildings then you haven’t been to Frankfurt if you’ve not seen nazi imagery
Lemmy cannot handle abstract reasoning. If you change the scenario at all to make a point, they shit circuit
If you have to change the scenario to make your point then your point doesn’t belong in this comment section.
It’s a common way to illustrate a point, by describing it with other variables.
Your reply is telling lol
Telling of what? The dude brought up something that didn’t happen in the image and being like “Oh yeah well you’re wrong because of something irrelevant”
I’m not bothered by the amount of tattoos. I’m bothered by the nazi swastika front and center. I would be just as bothered if they were just wearing a nazi arm band or Trump hat.
You’re pretty close to the point.
The point is that it’s subjective, and given the right content or quantity, it looks bad to you.
No, I think I’m on the point. I don’t care about other people’s appearances and I don’t care to subject other people to what I think self respect looks like. I’m bothered by what their morals are and how they’re going to make that my problem. Nazi tattoos mean that person wants to make life worse for other people. I’m not bothered by the dye, but by the ideas they represent. The woman in the picture doesn’t have any hate symbols that I recognize.
You find the tattoos distasteful for a reason of your own. I share such a reason, but it’s your own. Therefore you find the display graffiti-like: a blight on the visual landscape (in that interpretation of grafatti)
Edit The significance of Nazi iconography being distasteful is an easy one, and that’s why it was used as an alternative display to prove the point.
I was applying the claim to something else
What are you applying the claim to?
Why the reference to illegal Nazi iconography in Frankfurt? The building posted looks to me to be in the contiguous US.
You posted an image of a person’s mugshot who has a swastika on their forehead and I assumed you were conflating their tattoos to the person in the original image of this post.
What are you applying the claim to?
People with nazi tattoos
Why the reference to illegal Nazi iconography in Frankfurt? The building posted looks to me to be in the contiguous US.
I thought you might not have known racist graffiti existed
were conflating their tattoos to the person in the original image of this post.
Oh no, nothing about her. Just the “Tattoos = graffiti, guys” part was applied to the person I posted
Oh ok, sorry for the misunderstanding on my part. Thanks for the clarification.
The building is most likely in São Paulo. Not that it matters for for the point you’re making :)
There’s no Portuguese in any of those tags. Three of the tags are east coast crews. If I were to have to put a location down I’d say North East Miami FL.
Well, look at this documentary and see if it might change your mind ;)
Is that a nazi prison gang sex slave? That’s pretty horrific.
Call me whatever you want, but like anything else, too much of a good thing is bad for you.
You stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking, nerf herder!
🤣
Exactly.
All freedom to her, and I like tatoos, but I think her assortment of tattoos is a bit ugly.
Dispose of your body as you choose but there is a very fine line that parts complimenting from exagerating. The girl in the photo, for me, is already on exageration territory.
Too much ink, with too many tattoos, with no connecting theme, and taking up areas where ink - again, for me - just doesn’t sit right, like hands and throat.
But because opinions are worth nothing, this is all hot air escaping mouths.
God damn thats hot. Someone put a lot of work into that building.
he must work out
I’d fuck that building.
I dunno, I bet it’s had thousands of people inside it.
Don’t slut shame that building!
I keep looking over the picture of the woman, trying to compare it to whatever the other image is of, and I’m not sure what they’re talking about. I’ve gone over every inch of her body and I don’t know what any of this is about. I’m sorry, what’s going on?
Basically they’re saying the tattoos make her trashy.
I guess I’m still not understanding it. Time to pour over the picture some more, see if we can’t figure it out.
Where’s the other image you speak of?
I don’t even know. I must’ve caught a glimpse of something when I wrote that, but I’ll be darned if I can’t find it now. There’s only the Illustrated Woman that I can see now.
The tatoos would not stop me.
Turn off the lights.
Keep ‘em on, get to read the funnies while bangin’
Tbh if done nice, i think they can even be attractive.
All these comments and not a single one telling me who she is. Smh my head
Reverse image search ftw https://www.instagram.com/bmarkhaa
The best Christmas present I’ve gotten so far
She would look way better without the tats. Even this shitty building would look better without this artless crap. And how is this a political take?
Comparing women to objects tends to be more frowned upon by civilized people, which excludes the right.
You’re welcome to find whatever you like attractive. She clearly doesn’t care about your opinion.
I’m sure my opinion is as worthless to her as hers is to me. And btw nobody is comparing the woman to the object, the point is that the aesthetic is similar. Applies to all sexes and objects. Imho the building tags are not art, or at least not good art. And her snakes, bugs and Japanese masks are so tired and trite, everyone does the same stuff. Yay.
Tired and trite? That sounds like most of mainstream movies, music, television… Yet people enjoy it. It is their choice to like what they like, and do what they do.
Sure someone else may want the ceiling of the Sistine chapel tattood on them, but she chose this.
I’m happy for her, she can do whatever she wants. She’s still hot af. And people can watch whatever shit they want and they can have all the dumb opinions they want. That doesn’t change how I see it, and I like to think that my criticism is constructive.
I’m glad you say she can do whatever she wants.
I think what many would argue is, what is and is not constructive about criticizing someone’s choices. I think it is constructive to tell someone that wearing a reflective device or bright clothing when in low visibility situations such as hunting (if others are in the area shooting like Dick Cheney) or walking near traffic is constructive. But I don’t see any ups to telling someone their clothing design doesn’t agree with my tastes.
Whether I care for her tattoos or not, they aren’t harming others outside of people being prudish and feeling like they don’t have enough control over others choices.
Well to be fair nobody here told her anything, she probably doesn’t know that some idiots are talking about her in some obscure corner of the internet. Way I see it we all should be able to criticise anything. Tattoos are a form of art and people are allowed to have opinions on it. Same goes for the “art” of tagging.
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
this Camaro is ruined! It’s covered in sharpie art!
…it’s still a Camaro
Donny, please
Because it’s essentially saying that her decision to get tattoos is the equivalent of her vandalizing her body. It’s a meme criticizing a woman for choosing what she wants to do with her body, which is just a tamer version of “your body my choice”.
I saw that more like a criticism of the tattooing style, not her life decisions. Your body my choice is downright authoritarian. I don’t see how it relates to this.
Even if it is a criticism of the tattooing style it’s still likening it to vandalism. It doesn’t change the message behind the meme.
See what you and I call vandalism on that building some call art.
And the meme completely breaks down if the building is considered art so let’s not play dumb. We both know in this meme the building isn’t representing art.
The meme suggests that this beautiful woman made herself less attractive by getting tattoos. People who tend to agree with that statement are not necessarily nazis fascists sexists Trump voters rapists church goers and so on, despite the fact that many of that ilk share similar sentiments (but for completely different reasons). Believe it or not, not everyone likes this aesthetic and this is not political.
If you think “I don’t like tattoos on women” is the same as “women with tattoos look like vandalized buildings” then you’re missing the nuances necessary to have this discussion.
She doesnt care how she looks for you.
She clearly doesn’t care how she looks, yes
Someone who puts that much effort into their outward expression of themselves clearly cares about how they look. You just have misaligned tastes.
Yeah sure, and my tastes are also misaligned with the mentally insane people who smear themselves with their own feces. They’re just expressing themselves obviously.
Nice comparison. Clearly smearing feces on yourself requires the same level of forethought and financial burden that getting multiple tattoos does.
I’m not even commenting on her taste, or yours. Just the juvenile declaration that she somehow does not care, when she’s investing as much time and money into her looks as she has.
As far as tastes go, yours are as valid as hers are, I’d just choose a less inflammatory way to say you disagree with someone’s taste.
You’re right, it’s not a fair comparison. At least you can wash the shit off the mentally unstable person with hot water and soap.
Just because she’s financially able to make her shit smearing permanent through inking it doesn’t make it any better. Doing heroin is also a financial burden but we don’t glamorize that shit.
If she cared that much about her appearance she wouldn’t make herself look like the average shitty neighborhood dumpster.
At some point we’ll have to stop sugar coating every single shitty lifestyle choice people make.
Now don’t get me wrong, she can do whatever she wants. Her body, her choice to look like an abandoned building.
My body, my choice to make fun of people with too much money and not enough common sense.
While true…
It ain’t stopping nothing.
Your username would be better if it were a fruit
Your face would be better if it was in the sand
how does this relate to the NSFW goth girl fetish community ?
I salute you for informing me of that community
Lemmy has NSFW content?! Since when?
I got you, buddy.
Perfection!
Porn? On the internet???
It’s also possible you’ve disabled NSFW content
If you have go to your instances website (if your on an app) and change it in your account settings, some clients also have a client side NSFW block
Please somebody be so kind and insert a picture of a skeleton covered in cobwebs with my handle stamped on it below my first comment.
That is how old I feel right now.
Sopuli.xyz defederates nsfw instances. And most nsfw stuff is on dedicated instance.
Guess I’ll have to consult the bones to see if it is worth the trouble to create another profile just for NSFW surfing.
Plenty of mobile clients allow you to use multiple profiles simultaneously.
I have different app for nsfw lemmy lol.
Voyager for this account, Eternity when I want to wank.
google “lemmynsfw” there’s a dedicated instance for NSFW
Both looks bad. It’s too many tattoos on one hand, and pretty scrambled a bad looking graffiti on the other hand.
She makes much more sense when you undo the mirroring whichever dipshit created this did. The backwards texts in crazy fonts were breaking my brain.
I appreciate the commitment in both cases. Whoever climbed out to do the graffiti at the top of the building had some guts.
Some phones have mirroring enabled by default when taking selfies
