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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
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No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.
Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list
Happy to report that Zip has been quite enjoyable.
It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.
If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).
I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.
Imma be honest, I don’t think .ml belongs on there. Their users can be pretty cool.
.ml is a cesspool
I mean you say that, but it’s not like every community on .ml is focused on politics man. Their largest communities are mostly about tech. And they have a pretty cool, albeit somewhat inactive datahoarders community, of whom I think some are helping with redundant archival of datasets being erased by Trump’s administration.
Edit Addendum: For anyone who has the storage space, I would consider helping out with the effort.
If tankies are right wing, liberals are right wing, not to mention those who are actually right-wing outside of your head-canon, who is not right-wing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
I see calling people “tankies” is the “woke” of the Fediverse.
Nah, they’re authoritarian genocide deniers.
The opposite of woke.
No, I mean it’s the new / local meme word to shut off conversation. And apparently used pretty much the same way right-wingers use it.
Ah! Yeah, that’s true
It’s 2025, everyone is both doing genocide and is denying genocide all of the time. Unfortunately that word no longer has any meaning.
It does have a definition though and there is still power in that.
Yes everyone is aware of this power so are using the word as a propaganda tool to further their causes. And everyone is aware that the word is being used as a propaganda tool.
The scary part is that by watering down the meaning of the word, it’s made actual genocide more likely. If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
The only person watering down the word here is you?
If everyone is constantly being accused of genocide all of the time then no one will know when an actual genocide is happening.
If you can do something as simple as compare numbers (a skill taught in elementary school), you can know when genocide is happening, regardless of what other people around you try to weasel about what they believe the term to be.
Yeah I’m a bit lost on why someone’s instance automatically = their entire identity. Wouldn’t that means 1) technically we are all tankies on a tankie platform and 2) I need to start learning Finnish?
Lemmy.ml admins remove content critical of the CCP, and similar things. The admins of most other instances don’t do that shit.
Grad is much the same, while Hexbear is just 4chan for Stalinists.
No I know, but I’m not interacting with the admins of .ml, and I haven’t really seen anything from the average .ml user that isn’t your run of the mill leftist talking points I see all over Lemmy. They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I have no idea what grad and hexbear are, I’ve never seen those instances and I’m assuming my admin already defederated from them. They’re pretty reasonable in that regard.
Maybe I should learn Finnish in their honour…
They’re not censoring or banning me from posting Winnie the Pooh, you know? Your experience may be different.
I mean, unless you frequent .ml communities, they can’t censor or ban you.
That’s the thing though. Those .ml communities end up quietly curated to curb any criticism of the admins’ favorite authoritarians. Highlighting this fact is necessary, and participating in .ml communities is undesirable at best; those who still wish to do so should at least be informed as to what goes on.
Oh I see what you’re saying. I agree about the communities, but I was speaking more about the users from .ml getting blasted in communities outside .ml simply because they are from that instance (like in this thread).
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml? They’re not in the censored community, we’re not in the censored community, who cares what the .ml admin are doing?
If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren’t welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it’s not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don’t think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I’d say a good 4/5s of the time, it’s someone from .ml.
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.
Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I’ll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Anyone who disagrees with their narratives is banned in hexbear. Ml was the default for a while so loads of people on there who have no idea what a tankie even is.
Yeah, hexbear and .grad seem to be mostly tankie users, but it seems much more split on .ml. The admins are questionable, and I’ve seen tankies there disproportionally, but since it was the default instance for a long time, there are also a bunch of non-tankie users. I think lumping .ml in with hexbear and .grad really downplays just how bad those two are.
- I need to start learning Finnish?
Good luck with that buddy. Look up “kuusi palaa”.
There’s a shit ton of far-right and Sinophobic people on .world. They can’t abide anything that isn’t in line with whatever the CIA is saying.
I’ve been called a tankie in the same posts where I criticize the USSR and Russia, or when I say China isn’t inherently good or evil.
Tankies are to liberals what woke is to Republicans. Taking a term invented by a community, reclaiming it, giving it a new definition only used by them.
From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).
I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.
When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.
I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.
I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.
That does sound bad. If that was my experience, I guess I might actively try to avoid them too. But as it happens, I just rarely see any hexbear stuff anyway. So the fueling of cross-instance conflicts feels unnecessary and a bit icky to me.
I mean, most of the communities are on .world, and if they’re not federating with .world, they’re just not going to show up in the majority of comment sections.
But also, HB is much more of a communal space than most of the big instances, and much more aligned on how they engage with off-site content. And as the fediverse grows horizontally, a significant part of it probably going to be through focused instances, rather than more general purpose sites. We have those covered already, and most of the people interested in something like that aren’t going to leave Reddit anytime soon.
They have what they want.
This means there will be more “we don’t want to host this kind of content” discussions over time, not fewer. The fediverse will look more patchwork, not less.
Perhaps that’s because your instance is defederated from them? They were all over the place before most other major instances defederated from them. They are still all over the place if you’re on an instance that federates with them. I had to manually block their bullshit when I was on Yiffit. I don’t have to on Pawb or Lemmy.World.
Try criticizing .ml on an .ml sub and you’ll start to taste the authoritarianism
I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-
The tankies are pretty bad on the world politics community on ml.
The politics community on world is even more rabid and unconstructive than the Reddit equivalent
Hexbear defederated from my instance for being authoritarian Nazis. What triggered this decision? A vote organised by the instance’s admins, to choose whether or not to defederate from the bears. You cannot make this shit up.
Oh and the vote itself was started because of them brigading us, calling us a bunch or Nazis. So, yeah.
Again, despite claims to the contrary, tankie for most people means “anything left of the Democrats, or willingness to break with US foreign policy.”
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
“Despite claims to the contrary”, to grossly simplify Wittgenstein, a word’s meaning is how it is actually used.
Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.
I’d rather have the wild west of ideas over reddit. So I don’t mind em
Looks at the Lemmy devs
They deny genocide and are transphobic
.me laughs
OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!
Welcome! I am new too. Still getting adjusted to the federations and the “way” things are here.
Welcome! 🙂
Get the app: sync for Lemmy! It’s amazing
let the person choose.
does that have profile pictures and stuff? I use Voyager and feel like I’m missing the full Lemmy experience
It does, yes. Display pics and display names.
ooo might need to check it out then. Thanks!
Welcome 🤗
Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.
It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)
Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)
Best I can do is act like a slashdotter:
This general idea has already failed elsewhere. What you want can’t work.
Just point me to the Natalie Portman and hot grits.
So far, it’s quite refreshing. However I miss some of the smaller niche hobby subreddits, as fediverse hasn’t gained enough momentum yet. There are “channels” (?) that have like 300 people, and a post every other month, which is too small right now.
It’s not authoritarian bootlicking if the boot has been painted red!
Oh hey this looks familiar LMAO
Before the tankies come in here
Their calls of unity and accusations of division are false, they’re Authoritarian “leftists” who deny anything bad of the CCP, Russia and NK from human rights violations to genocides and any evidence of said acts is nothing but “CIA/Western propaganda”
Tankies are not socialists, they’re not communists, they’re authoritarians, full stop.
Communism is a flavor of authoritarianism. You can’t tell me that the USSR valued freedom.
Stalinists et co are not the totality of communist thought, despite how much as they tried to portray themselves as such.
Okay, what about Mao?
Mao only split from the Sovs because the Sovs became slightly less Stalinist under Khrushchev.
Mao is a Maoist, and the CCP claim to be ‘the sole heir and successor to Joseph Stalin concerning the correct interpretation of Marxism–Leninism and the ideological leader of world communism,’ and I think (hope?) we can agree that Stalinism is not communism.
Okay, what about Pol Pot?
Okay, what about …
Look, I know you’re in your young 20’s, almost definitely white, definitely a man, and I was once each of those things, too.
You’ve gone down the Right-wing pipeline, you’ve nodded along, you’ve downed the kool-aid. From the sounds of it a light sprinkling of an extremely flawed, right-wing education system.
You are not experiencing your own thoughts. You’re regurgitating arguments you’ve heard online; over and over again, you say the same things, respond in the same way, make the same mistakes. You hamfistedly wave at anyone who ever called themselves socialist and go ‘see! look at these mistakes! They’re all the same!’ When in reality:
Although the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world’s first nominally socialist state led to widespread association of socialism with the Soviet economic model, it has since shifted in favour of democratic socialism. Academics recognised the mixed economies of several Western European and Nordic countries as “democratic socialist”.[34][35] Following the revolutions of 1989, many of these countries moved away from socialism as a neoliberal consensus replaced the social democratic consensus in the advanced capitalist world.[36] In parallel, many former socialist politicians and political parties embraced “Third Way” politics, remaining committed to equality and welfare while abandoning public ownership and class-based politics.[37] Socialism experienced a resurgence in popularity in the 2010s.
Let’s look at Pol Pot, to go back to your whataboutism:
Ideologically a Maoist and a Khmer ethnonationalist…
Seriously, it’s on his goddamn wikipedia page, dude. This, what you’re doing here? It’s embarrassing. You think you’re standing up to those meany evil ‘left-wingers’ when in reality you’re a Toy Poodle for fascism, yapping at what you’re told to, always waiting for another head pat from your online friends that never quite comes, never quite seems to make you feel like you feel it should.
Conservative parties began because aristocrats felt they had lost too much power, and wanted into the parliamentary system. It’s oligarchs now. Is that really who has your best interest? Do you think Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk or Trump care about you? That they will ever do something for you, at the expense of themselves?
Because over on the socialist side we’re at the protests, we’re at the strikes, we’re demanding change, we’re helping the poor, we’re punching up at authority. You’re ideologically marching alongside cops, brown shirts, Nazi’s, and you what, think they’ll spare you? At best you’re meat for the grinder when the fighting starts.
Look into all of this. Really dive into what Conservatism is, why it was created, how it’s been opposed to every advancement in society that you enjoy: shorter work weeks, shorter work days, actual safety for workers, workers compensation, paternity leave, health care, freedom to strike, etc. All of those are socialist-won, often through literal bloodshed.
What have wealthy billionaires done to make your life better? Why do you think they’re so invested in keeping you angry at visible minorities, women, ‘the left’, the 2% of the planet who are transgendered, the 2SLGBTQIA+ community? Why is it your enemies are all exactly strong enough to scare you, yet so weak you can insult them for it? Why do you have to punch down to hit these terrifying enemies of whatever it is you hold dear?
I’m going to read all that later, but for the record, I’m a white man in my mid 30s.
Okay bro wtf is that wall of text. They’re all communist, full stop. Trying to label them something else doesn’t change the fact that communism is a political system for psychopaths
You’re a Right-wing nut job, your opinion afaic, is worth even less than the tankies. And that should tell you a lot, but I know it won’t.
It’s lemmy, I honestly don’t really care what some random guy calls me.
What’s it like having even /c/conservative think you’re a right-wing nutjob? Do you think the entire world is a leftist conspiracy out to get you, personally?
Most conservative is just random Lemmy users finding it.
And no. Lemmy is a itty bitty part of the world. Why would I think it’s a world-wide leftist conspiracy?
And no. Lemmy is a itty bitty part of the world. Why would I think it’s a world-wide leftist conspiracy?
Oh when you said “No wonder the left is upset, their propaganda department is being shut down.” over USAID being ransacked by fascists, I just assumed you thought the entire world was a leftist conspiracy.
Oh no he’s not calling you a rightwing nutjob so you know, its so the rest of us can casually ignore you. Your feelings on this matter are inconsequential.
USSR (and China, too) didn’t even have communism. It had socialism and strived for the communist world in the future.
Nah, that stuff is the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat, which is a supposed way to Communism, rather than Communism itself, and as the “dictatorship” in the name indicates, it’s an authoritarian regime.
The valid criticism of Communism is not that it’s authoritarian is that in over a century all countries who tried to get there took the authoritarian path and not a single one ever left that stage and reached Communism - in other words, Communism seems to be a unachieveable ideal.
Only in the ways it’s been implemented at the state level so far. Which, admittedly, may be the only way it can.
Denying propaganda the CIA is selling you about China is not the same thing as denying everything the CCP has ever done wrong. Especially when even the CIA has backtracked their claims, and you religiously stick to it.
Ah yes, wise words UnderpantsWeevil, .worlds very own resident tankie
Incivility is only when you call out liberal hypocrisy and .world, otherwise it’s sparkling marketplace of ideas.
Again, nobody’s talking about the porn instance.
But we all know about it
I posted my boobs & some people were friendly to me. It’s nice here! Surprisingly wholesome.
We know everyone immediately followed the profile to see the boobs, don’t we?
(They are nice btw)
woow, you’re gorgeous… I DMd you
No we don’t; link, please.
In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.
By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.
“/c/” doesn’t tell us much. I assume you mean !worldnews@lemmy.ml or !worldnews@lemmy.world? Try !world@quokk.au
https://lemmy.world/c/world actually.
I meant that one, my bad
And if you ask people if they’re pro-Putin and pro-Russia and against Russian crimes against humanity, you’ll get banned faster than you can say “Синдром вахтёра”
Goes for Lemmy.ml and some reason Midwest.social as well.
Edit Case in point after writing this comment angry lil’ Ruskitos brigade me and use all their mod power and remove comments like
this I’ve made. Very “incivil” to call out Russian disinfo. KekIf you go on there concern trolling and trying to start shit, I bet you will get banned.
But, fun fact, communists actually are not a fan of fascists.
I didn’t.
I simply pointed out that davel@lemmy.ml saying things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” would be extremely weird for an actual “red blooded, born&bred American”, which he claims to be.
So he just as an American patriot learned to speak Russian and won’t answer the question of “are you pro-Russian” while actively pushing Russian propaganda?
communists actually are not a fan of fascists
Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.
We’ll check again about communism when we get to Star Trek levels of utopia, mkay?
So he just as an American patriot
Someone can be born & raised in America and yet not be patriotic to the American empire. We’re not uncommon.
learned to speak Russian
What are you even talking about? You don’t have to learn Russian to listen to Jeffery Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Noam Chomsky or Chris Hedges.
communists actually are not a fan of fascists
Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.
The communists fought the Spanish and Axis fascists, and horseshoe theory is garbage.
Oh yeah, Americans who spew Russian propaganda purposefully and constantly talk of “the West” and have issues with their grammar and English expressions are “born&bred” Americans?
Hmm… I wonder, which is more common? A “born&bred red-blooded American who’s devoted to Putin and Russia” … OR… a lying Russian? Hmm. Being a Finnish person, we have some history with Russia, and I can tell you for a fact that lying Russians are more commonplace than Americans who are fanatically devoted to Russia and say things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”.
It’s genuinely hilarious how you don’t realise how fucking see-through you are. It’s like watching a toddler play kitchen and then make you eat their “food”. It’s hilariously cute, but in a very stupid way. So you play along while allowing them their silliness. I’m not debating you, I’m playing with you.
’“Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. But reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias. Although Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. And definitely not on the internet. And definitely not on Lemmy. I’m a born&bred American btw, trust me comrades. Don’t vote, by the way. Also, did you know that Ukraine is filled with Nazis and thus we should thank glorious Putin for his courageous leadership in his special military operation. Btw Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. And I’m American. Спаси Бог.”
You’re kinda stretching it there.
I’m really not, and that’s why it’s hilarious. You know, if it weren’t so serious.
Sure thing, Patrick Bateman’s fursona 👍
Too bad you guys don’t have better education.
This feels like having a boxing match with a 12-year old; really unsporting.
How many people do you know who’ve lost family/friends in the meatgrinder Putin is putting them into? And you’re too much of a coward to do anything about it, actually going out of your way to perpetuate the status quo.
Eww.
There are some real weirdos here that have this as the major part of their personality.
How else are they going to find an audience for their huge list of irrelevant copy-pasted bullet points?
Like that guy with the Buckies profile pic? lol I see him everywhere
everone knows you join instances based on how funny the @ is, duh
Am I winning?
And you picked that?
it’s funny that .zip is a domain, yes. I can’t imagine it gets used for anything other than email scams
.rar isn’t a domain yet is it? Lol
Lemmy.7z
Exactly
Can we just defederate and be done with it?
We are actually defederated from 2 of them on World, but Lemmy.ml is also the community run by Lemmy code contributors so a lot of people are hesitant to let it go.
It’s got my vote, though, fuck em.
Brilliant. The coders are tankies. That explains alot
yes a decentralized federated community is very aligned with tankies totally
Please enlighten us, vagueposter, what does it explain?
Centrists will find some new instance, designate it the “tankie instance” and repeat the process.
Maybe someday, .world is 2/3rds of the way there!
cm0002 is a total sad act. Obsessed
