I get it, Biden is old and that’s a problem, but why doesn’t anyone seem to have a problem with the fact that Trump is almost the same age, has 34 felonies, raped at least 2 women, went to Epstein’s Island 11 times, sexualized his own daughter, stole classified documents, aligned himself with Xi and Putin, and can’t remember common names?
Is all of that really better than being 2½ years older than he is right now?
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The only people I see calling for Biden to drop out are the media news companies.
It’s basically a fake controversy. They benefit massively from stirring the pot so people tune in to “see what’s going to happen”.
Reality is if Biden were going to drop out, he’d already have done it.
Depends on what social circles and social media circles you roll in. I know of a LOT of people who wish he wasn’t the nominee.
It takes years to plan a presidential run and the incumbent has a huge advantage. It’s infeasible to change the candidate now and would 100% split an already very polarized party. It’s a fake media controversy and the media companies are the ones causing people to feel that way by editing footage to make Biden look bad, attacking Biden’s stutter or slip up instead of Trump’s lies and gaslighting. The media is controlled by the rich and complicit in treason, but the rich never get their dues and the right is never held accountable.
They should run a very popular vice president, and announce him immediately. Biden is obviously not going to step down, but someone competent needs to be on the campaign.
This, Biden isn’t going to drop out and most of the people calling for him to resign benefit either directly from him no longer being on the ballot, or indirectly benefit in the chaos and doubt of opportunist in the democratic party jumping on what they perceive as an opportunity to enhance their standing and power within the party and political establishment as a whole.
If one singular data point (a bad debate performance) is enough to make you or anyone else think a person should immediately step aside, you’re exactly the kind of person these attacks and campaigns are directed at: someone easy to sway and scatter. I don’t particularly like Biden or most of what he’s done in the last 2 years specifically, but I also know that splitting off from him or encouraging a third candidate that will split the vote is just going to hand GOP the reigns for the next 4 years and given how they’ve spent the last 8 stomping on rights and democracy, it’ll probably be another 20 years before they lose power short of another revolution or civil war. So weighing those two scenarios, yeah I’m just going to vote Biden, sleepy or dark brandon, doesn’t matter since he can always resign after the election and let Kamala take up POTUS.
How would replacing Biden split the vote?
Never thought about it like that
Republican candidates aren’t held to the same standards because Republican voters don’t care (or they actually like it).
He gave them $1,600 in stimulus checks. Some of the poorer people think he’ll make things more affordable for people, lower costs, make crypto better, and essentially just rain down money. They have to think of their families future, and apparently they think Trump will do that. They don’t care what he’s done, he’s a means to an end, and if they can wrap an American flag around him, profess him the new Messiah, and ban abortions to do it, they will.
Republicans are either extremely ignorant or they just lack any and all empathy. They get their news from Fox that shields them from the truth, and they live in constant fear of blood-drinking evil liberals, illegal racist/murderer aliens, and that their money is being stolen from them by undesirables that feed off the system.
Their entire world view is a facade to make rich people richer and their ignorance of that makes them expendable pawns. It’d be comical if it wasn’t so tragic…
Republican candidates aren’t held to the same standards because Republican voters are absolute morons
Republicans have no shame
I’d be thrilled if they both dropped out.
Trump controls a cult, that’s why.
Cult leaders can get their followers to do anything and the followers will forgive the leader for anything, including felonies. They will dismiss any criticism of the leader as lies or made up to hurt the leader politically. No matter how true the criticism might be.
At the end of the day, it’s very much like the relationship between religious worshippers and their god.
Why would he drop out? His racist and nonsensical ramblings are what Republicans/conservatives/the wealthy and his base want. It’s leftist and some liberals who don’t want that. Which is why there are calls for Biden to drop out. That’s not complicated. I barely even understand how this is a question
His base are enthusiastically slobbering on his c**k, and most prominent politicians for the gqp seem to be lining up to holster it when his base are done. Not to mention the supreme
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Someone knows their cock rights.
That’s it, I’m reporting you.
/s just in case
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Why did you censor cock?
Seemed like the thing to do. Apparently struck a nerve lol
Most of the people who think Trump should drop out have been loudly opposing him for a long time. There isn’t just one single thing they object to, no great unifying theme they can point at and say “This is why he should not run,” because Everything about him is a reason why he should absolutely not be president. Even his Felony conviction is, while perhaps more than a drop, just a splash in the bucket of what should be utterly career ending circumstances.
The people who still support Trump don’t care about any of that. They’re not going to suddenly see one particular turn-off and decide that’s it, that’s why Trump should back out. They’re committed, in too deep, they can’t back down now because it would mean the Libs were actually right all along, and that presents, to them, an existential threat. And in the end, it’s the Republican way.
When Democrats, even popular ones, fuck up, other Democrats are much more likely to turn on them, to call for and get resignations. With Republicans, that’s almost unheard of. Republicans take Part Unity to an extreme, circling the wagons and assuming a full defensive position no matter how incredibly abhorrent the crime, no matter how blatant the evidence. Today we’re seeing the perfect example. Biden fucked up a debate, stumbling over his own words like an old man well past his prime, and the party is calling for him to step down. Trump has built his whole political career on stumbling over his own words, with the only cogent statements he manages being blatant lies, and his people would rather murder their neighbors than see him lose.
As much as I agree with everything you say, there is one more thing that needs to be said.
I started watching the debate fully aware of the fact that Trump was a POS. Trump was a POS in 2016, 2020, and 2024. On the other hand, I started watching the debate hoping to see president Biden could make Trump look even dumber. What I got was a very clearly senile guy that failed to make coherent sentences 10+ times in a 90 minute debate.
Trump was who he has always been during the debate. Biden was senile during the debate. At this point I’m not asking Biden to drop because I like Trump. That is wrong. I hate Trump. I’m asking Biden to drop because I know he won’t be able to beat Trump. On the other hand, he might have no problem beating medicare.
I love when trolls post bullshit like this, it just fires up the democratic voters. Biden will win with more votes than the last time he beat that 34 time convicted felon, rapist, loser.
Anyone who disagrees with you isn’t a troll. Biden looked how he looked, and moderates/independents don’t have the same appetite for copium as you do.
Sounds like something a troll would say. Your post history is also matching what a troll/bot is. I agree 100% that just because someone disagrees with me they aren’t necessarily a bot, BUT, there’s a fuckton of bots/trolls out there now to do what they did in 2016.
Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.
Enjoy.
Interesting way of saying “my human rights aren’t up for debate every 4 years.”
Lol, your account is six days old, nothing but troll posts. Bro, if you’re not a bot, you’re clearly not American, so you can just stfu K? Ty, go slob that putin knob boy.
You are absolutely right. I’m a Russian bot.
Oh look another super new account posting doom and gloom anti biden stuff. So weird.
On anything political, it’s about as bad as reddit. Possibly worse, I haven’t been on reddit for almost a year.
Ok, go ahead with Biden. I decided to take a break from politics. I’ll be sitting out this election.
Enjoy.
Thanks for enabling the facism!
Because not a single Republican has been held accountable for their actions since Nixon. Prove me wrong.
The people calling for Biden to drop out are completely different from the people who want Trump to stay in the race.
Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.
Republicans want Trump to stay on the ticket because they’re pretty sure he’ll crush Biden .
Democrats want Biden to drop out because they don’t believe he can beat Trump.
To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?
While I’m not thrilled with his chances, I will say that if he wasn’t to be the nominee, that decision needed to happen in 2021. At this point, I do believe that statistically, he’s got better odds than anyone else, so regardless of his debate or mental state, he’s our guy.
do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?
The answer to that is clearly, “Yes.” The calls for him to bow out are coming from all corners; various mainstream media outlets, donor groups, alternative media, pundits, and even sitting Democratic politicians.
To this point: for those who think that, do they think anyone else realistically could, at this point, other than Biden?
Literally anyone born after 1975.
Look, 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the D line no matter who it is. 45% of people are going to vote for the name on the R line no matter what. That last 10% is who you want to win over. And like, they’re tired of both of them. But Biden is the dude in office right now, so they’re gonna vote for the other one.
All Biden has to do is say “after some reflection, you’re right. I cannot serve at my best capacity. I’m going to step aside for the good of party and country,” and then they nominate literally anyone under 50. Hardcore democrats are going to vote for whoever is on that line, and middle America is going to see that and be like “that’s the honorable thing to do. I respect that. And I may not know who this new person is, but they’re not Trump” so democrats still have that tired platform without any of the baggage. They would cruise to retaining the presidency.
This is how I feel too. The debate lowered the chances, but it’s far too late to just shove someone else in.
Lemmy doesn’t want to hear it, but you’re correct.
Anyone still planning on voting Biden at this point can only justify it on the basis he’s not Trump, and wouldn’t decide not to vote without Biden on the ticket
A quality he shares with every other American with the exception of Trump himself.
The democrats only stand to gain votes by swapping him out. 75% of democrats would prefer a different candidate.
In addition to the other people who replied, the answer is simple:
Fear.
Look at Kinzinger.
Look at Cheny.You’re labeled a rhino. Your career in politics is over. And then maybe Trump retweets that there should be a military tribunal to try you for treason.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ImT5pYdKw5g
It’s worth noting that treason is one of the few crimes enumerated in the constitution.
Why?
The founding fathers were all guilty of treason to the crown. And virtually anything could be charged as treason under King George.
You have to TRY to commit treason in the US.
Trump at one point asked for a list of our spies in the field. A few weeks later they started turning up dead. Trump had met with Putin between those two events. Trump refused that any records be kept from those meetings. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that knowledge, but I personally find that disqualifying. Let alone whatever he was wanting to accomplish by keeping national secrets in his bathroom in his country club.
He also happily hosted LIV’s golf tournament at Maralago. Who owns that organization? The same folks who paid Jared Kushner 2 billion dollars to “invest”. The Kingdom of Saud.
The truth is that Trump has done more for conservative causes than any president prior. He installed the far right justices that have toppled Roe v Wade and affirmative action. He enacted things like the Muslim travel bans. In short, either they know he’s a scumbag and don’t care because he gets results, or they don’t believe their own lyin’ eyes because look at the results he produces. It’s all about the bottom line, and the ends justify the means.
For the voters, they really don’t believe it. I have conservative family members. Everything is always “Oh that’s just bullshit cooked up by the crooked Biden crime family” “Oh he didn’t mean the words he said very clearly, what he really meant was blah blah blah” followed ten seconds later by “I like him because he tells it like it is”
I just don’t get it. What makes this guy seemingly have a force field that can make people deny their own eyes and ears? Ignoring morals here, just thinking with those patterns would give me a cognitive dissonance aneurysm.
Closeted socialist here. I work in an extremely remote 24/7 process industry. They play Newsmax on the TVs in the chow hall and the only time they don’t is when they are replacing tvs. EVERYONE here is a degree of an alt righter. Some were at J6. Some have “Alex Jones was right” on their thermos’. I honestly believe some would kill me if I said I’ve read Marx. Not a single one of them could accurately define a political, economic, or social system without distracting with tropes, jingoistic rhetoric, or whataboutisms. Academic education is brainwashing. Christianity is a brand-name but you don’t have to read the Bible to be a christian. I made the mistake of expressing my disappointment of Trump because of what he has said about veterans. I was mocked for believing propaganda and over time I have become known as “the liberal”. That was all it took.
It’s frustrating, and I daily struggle with unchecked bigotry. But most people here do not wake up and choose to be racist or evil. They are doing what their wildly misled moral compass is telling them to be righteous. In their eyes, the pandering of the media that we see is absolute and total corruption to them. The media does lie, they have lied. Most of them couch it In ignorance and a whispered redaction, but that’s all it took. If they can lie about anything, then they must be lying about the unflattering things. There’s a bit of head-in-the-sand and delusion, but in their eyes the rape, the lawsuits, the theft from taxpayers, all of it is exactly what they would say if they were trying to make him look bad. That’s enough for them.
I honestly don’t blame them. They have fallen for grifts, lies, and propaganda that goes back at least 200 years.
Critical Support for ZMonster. I also have to suffer ignorance with MAGA friends and family. Stay safe.
🙏 Good on you. Thanks and same to you. Luckily I used to be petulant and conservative so I can fit in when I need to. And my income is used by my partner to raise a child surrounded by love, understanding, and encouragement. So I feel like I’m filtering a portion of capitalism into raising a little communist. 🤣 It’s enough to keep me gritting through the xenophobia. 😬
We saw fireworks last night, and my daughter mentioned, “Is that why your property taxes are so high?” I laughed. Raising class conscious kids is fun . 🤩
People do, you call them Biden supporters and dismiss them because “they wouldn’t vote for Trump anyway”
Or you say Trump is the reincarnation of Jesus and it’s all lies created by the devil
Because Trump is winning in the polls handily and has robust support from his base.
Biden is the opposite: he’s losing in the polls, his disapproval numbers are the highest in the history of modern polling, and many of the people that will vote for him will do it only because they have to.
As a non American, Trump winning the election makes sesne. But in general, WTF is going on in America?!
As a non American, trump winning will destabilise things in Europe way more than it will in America. The cunt’s said Russia can do what they want with NATO member states. It means all aid to Ukraine stops and Ukraine will lose because Putin has an endless supply of meat to take it if Ukraine can’t find the artillery shells. Russia will turn Ukraine’s now highly trained, well equipped, and battle hardened army against Poland. Major bloodbath! After enough primary school children have died on the frontline the Baltic states will be next, followed by Scandinavia.
Sure Europe will eventually stop them but at a massive cost. And that’s only if China doesn’t openly arm Russia or send troops. The only way to avoid it is if the US and Europe remain tight.
That’s being an alarmist to the point of absurdity.
Trump can say a lot of things. He can say he’ll leave NATO. He can say he’ll stop sending aid to Ukraine.
He can say whatever he wants, and I have no doubt the idiot actually believes it. After all, he said he was going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. He Said he was going to deport all DACA child. Hell, if I remember correctly, he said during the last campaign that he was going to leave NATO as well unless they fucking paid him, like it’s some sort of protection racket.
Despite the recent SC ruling, and despite four years of failing to actually do anything he said he could do, he still believes he’s a god-king. But with the exception of a presidential decree, which can be blocked by congress; nothing he’s fucking babbling about can just “be done” on his word. It has to pass Congress and the Senate, which will, despite the eventual winner of the presidency, remain close enough in seats for cooler heads to stop his bullshit. There are enough republicans, even in a Trump administration, that would never dream of fucking up that much.
The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.
If he actually had the power to do what he says he can, he would have done it in his first term. But even in a party of of racists and MAGA, there are enough adults to keep him distracted with colouring books.
The heritage Foundation has been putting the right people in the right places for a long fucking time. Trump is only a foot in the door. The fundamentalists and far right will probably whack him themselves once he’s elected. They are using his stupidity and cult following to gain power. If you don’t resist, it’s going to be a handmade’s tale type dystopia for you and a return to pan continental war for us.
I don’t envy your position tbh.
The point is, Trump is a fucking idiot. And while the supreme court has made him effectively immune to criminal prosecution, his ability to do almost anything without eventually bumping up against the actual adults in the room is still pretty limited.
The problem is that Trump (if elected) gets to appoint a bunch of yes-man lackeys to all the cabinet positions, meaning that there are fewer of those adults in the room to stop him from doing stupid shit.
capitalism just progressing to it’s natural end stage.
Also…
First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. This allows the legacy political parties to run incredibly weak candidates since there is no competition in the electoral system.
With a more representative voting system (much like Ranked Choice voting) people would be free to vote for the person that best represents them, while still counting their vote if that candidate doesn’t win.
"First Past The post voting artificially limits the number of political parties to two. "
Kiiiind of, Canada has fptp as well and we have about 4.5ish competitive parties, Liberal Party, Conservative Party, NDP (“socialist” party), Bloc Quebecois (Quebec focussed party [used to be a sepratist party, but has evolved to just focus on getting more favourable policies for Quebec since separating has fallen out of favour in Quebec), and the .5 would be the Green Party. So we can vote against the main 2 without wasting our votes/effectively voting for the party we hate more. BUT the reason I said kinda is notice I said Main 2. NDP has won opposition a few times (2nd most voted for party nationally), but Only 2 parties have ever been the most voted for in an election, the Liberals and the Conservatives. (Bloc Quebecois has won the provincial government multiple times in Quebec, but obviously has never been a contender for national government)
(Green is .5 because most people know about them, but to my knowledge they have never won even a provincial government, which the other 4 all have multiple times)
Edit: Guess theres a bunch of Americans pissed that they cant blame how fucked their political system is just on FPTP
Canada is a two party system, because they fit the definition, the majority of the legislature is controlled by the main two parties:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_Canada
Of the 338 seats, 81% of them are held by either the conservative or liberal party. The other parties have no shot of winning a majority, or taking away any significant number of seats from the big two parties.
Once again, NDP has won Opposition before (which to those unfamiliar, means that it held more legislative power than all other parties aside from the one that won the election). It is a viable 3rd option and likely would have won the national election roughly a decade ago if Jack Layton hadnt died of cancer during his run.
And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.
TL:DR your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties. Canadian 3rd parties are VASTLY more viable than American ones
Once again, NDP has won Opposition before
And the U.S. had the federalist party which once held power. An extra party being previously viable in the past has little to do with whether or not a legislature is controlled by 1 of 2 parties.
And because of how our legislature works, if the winning party wins by a minority (Less than 50% of legislative seats), the NDP can team up with the opposition to outpower the party that won and use that to attempt to get legislation that it wants pushed through as a compromise.
“X party can team up with y” also doesn’t negate the definition of a two party system. Cooperation or not, the conservatives and liberals control the overwhelming majority of the seats.
your last paragraph is false and only serves to entrench the 2 most powerful parties.
I’ll be honest, I’m not Canadian and rarely speak about Canadian politics. So in no way am I entrenching the two most powerful parties.
And my last paragraph isn’t false. There are 338 seats in your house of Commons, and 81% of them are held by the two dominant parties. That is objectively true. The final sentence is a subjective one.
Sure, 3rd parties in Canada fair considerably better than they do in the U.S., but it seems pretty clear that they have no shot of getting a majority.
So with all of these things together, Canada is a two party system as well, largely due to the use of FPTP voting. We need more representative systems like approval and star voting.
Ah ok, you have zero idea what you are talking about and are projecting American politics onto Canada. Canada has FPTP and Canada is not in anyway a 2 party country. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois have both had a very strong influence on our political landscape and just because our CURRENT government gives souch power to our two most powerful parties doesnt in anyway mean that the NDP gaining significant amount of power is an anomaly, as it has done so many times in the past
you think rape and pedophilia are going to turn off republicans?
Savage!
And accurate, fighting both existing and new minimum marriage age requirements has been a priority for Republicans in like 10+ different states over the past 5 years or so.
