• Squizzy@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Yup, unfortunately global politics are such bullshit that Zelensky has to support Israel

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      2 months ago

      Sure it’s not the propaganda you’re reading that’s not bullshit?

      There’s a lot of people on the internet that say Zelenskyy is a Nazi. There’s a lot of people that say Netanyahu is a Nazi. What determines what is true and what is false for you? Is it determined solely by what you have the most exposure to on social media?

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        I love how people like you pretend evidence doesn’t exist and it’s just one word against another…

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          Evidence does indeed exist. But you’re probably rejecting facts that don’t conform to your preferred narrative.

          Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages. Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire. Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide. How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF? Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.

          More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.

          Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over. If not it won’t be over until the IDF finds all of these hostages. Which could take a long time.

          The only thing that we need to guess about is when Hamas will decide they’ve made enough donation money from this current iteration of violence (there will be more in the future) and agree to a ceasefire.

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        No he has been public about it and wanted to visit Israel after October 7th.

        I would be confident that he realises he has to align with them given the propaganda and the lack of resources support from the US.

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          Both Israel and Ukraine are democracies that are targets of authoritarian regimes. They both routinely have rockets and drones fired at their civilian populations. Some of those rockets and drones have the same country of origin, Iran. In both cases their enemies claim their terrirtoy based on historical ethnic claims.

          They are both targets of propaganda campaigns.

          On some parts of the internet people believe the anti-Ukraine propganda. On this particular part of the internet people tend to believe the anti-Israel propaganda.

          Ukraine and Israel are in similar situations in many ways and therefore are natural allies. They both need to figure out how to keep their people safe from the same weapons being used against them. Why wouldn’t they be allies? Because the internet told you Israel = bad and you haven’t spent time on the parts of the internet that says Ukraine = bad?

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            2 months ago

            I would say that Ukraine was not hurting or h8ndering the russian people prior to the invasion. Ukraine was a big holiday destination for Russia. Israel has barricaded and committed to an apartheid regime for Palestine, complete with restrictions on movement and control of their imports and exports as well as influencing their politics.

            I do not see the similarities here.

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        I’m sorry in your fantasy world land grabbing Russia is the aggressor but land grabbing Israel is the victim? Do you have memory prior to October 2023?

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            He was elected because Israel exists and grows because of the right of all jews to live there. Now which type of people are most likely to seek refuge in Israel? Religious zealots, the persecuted and the right wingers that are full of fear.

            In modern history if we just go back to the foundation of the state, Israel have not adhered to the agreed borders, however unjustly they were created. Israel has blocked and encamped an entire people, and if they leave they have mo right to return as Israel oversees thencomings and goings into the Palestinian State. Other entrances to the state are used as political footballs on Israeli whims.

            Israel is an apartheid state.

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            1948. The initial invasion and instantiation of an ethno-state that precipitated all future conflicts. No matter how far back we go… just ignore the beginning.